7 New IP schools
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kiaaik:
i think competition would increase for both DH and RV.... i somehow not very worried for DH as their COP and reputation is good especially since becoming SAP (...even before that in the early 70s and 60s).....when i look at dunman high and river valley high year 5 and year 6....they seem to have a much smaller pool of students when compared with ri (jc) and hci (jc)...this means it will be difficult to compete in ccas, sports and games...
duman high and river valley high extended their sec school to have pre-u 1 and 2, while ri and hci merge with already established jcs...a lot of difference!
RV will face stiff competition... her reputation/name isnt really that bankable like CHinese High or Dunman in the first place... then sway2 located in the \"Wild Wild west\"..... , somehow fortunate got IP abit earlier in 2nd or third round.... to avoid braindrain abit but now with other old & famous schools like ACS(i)-MGS / Victoria-Cedar 'IP marriage' forming bigger Anglo Chinese / Victoria family and other famous SAP schools also going IP... i think RV would soon face stiff competition for IP qualified Pri 6 students nationwide .... worri worry for RV and also Anglican High (another SAP) ..... -
kiaaik:
yep, saw that in yesterday's ST too.... those Victoria \"Lao\" boys seemed totally adamant nothing is going to change in VS all boys status , \"like walk over their dead bodies first\" .... and doing much plan/leg work for FREE for their alma mater using own time....I read in the Straits Times today about how a group of 8 old boys and teachers of VS has courted Cedar. I am really impressed with the Victorian brand of education, and won't have any hesitation sending my children to VS and CGS.
I think a VS-VJC merger will be in the pipeline in the future, as mentioned in the same newspapers report.
but Victoria school boys are quite known for their school spirit, also heard people say they \"over\" cheer during sports events ... IF/when it come to the crunch, i think they would even \"start a war\" against VJC or VS's MOE appointed principals (since VS and VJC are both government school, good as CHEAPER FEEs!) or MOE if anyone TRY to convert VS into Co-ed school .... and with 2 Victoria School old boys being a former and e Current Chief of Defence Force (Chief of entire SAF) ... start real war also not really \"impossible\" :idea: especially both also were S'pore's Chief of Army before promoted to the highest SAF post... just joking lah
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tanbh:
how do u see the vs-vjc merger?
yep, saw that in yesterday's ST too.... those Victoria \"Lao\" boys seemed totally adamant nothing is going to change in VS all boys status , \"like walk over their dead bodies first\" .... and doing much plan/leg work for FREE for their alma mater using own time....kiaaik:
I read in the Straits Times today about how a group of 8 old boys and teachers of VS has courted Cedar. I am really impressed with the Victorian brand of education, and won't have any hesitation sending my children to VS and CGS.
I think a VS-VJC merger will be in the pipeline in the future, as mentioned in the same newspapers report.
but Victoria school boys are quite known for their school spirit, also heard people say they \"over\" cheer during sports events ... IF/when it come to the crunch, i think they would even \"start a war\" against VJC or VS's MOE appointed principals (since VS and VJC are both government school, good as CHEAPER FEEs!) or MOE if anyone TRY to convert VS into Co-ed school .... and with 2 Victoria School old boys being a former and e Current Chief of Defence Force (Chief of entire SAF) ... start real war also not really \"impossible\" :idea: especially both also were S'pore's Chief of Army before promoted to the highest SAF post... just joking lah -
kiaaik:
[/quote]I am also very impressed by the Victoria spirit.tanbh:
[quote=\"kiaaik\"]I read in the Straits Times today about how a group of 8 old boys and teachers of VS has courted Cedar. I am really impressed with the Victorian brand of education, and won't have any hesitation sending my children to VS and CGS.
I think a VS-VJC merger will be in the pipeline in the future, as mentioned in the same newspapers report.
Good school, great products.
Looks like the newcomers will give the incumbent IP schools a good fight. SJI has lined up an impressive list of old boys to support its IP/IB implementation. Extracted from its website:
SJI has formed a Leadership Panel to guide and give advice on the implementation of the Josephian IP track to ensure that the IP curriculum and delivery meet the needs of higher education and the global economy. The panel comprises our distinguished Alumni. It is chaired by Mr Philip Yeo (Chairman, SPRING Singapore) with Professor Tan Chorh Chuan (President, NUS) as Deputy Chairman. The members include, among others, Mr Lim Chee Onn (Chairman, SingBridge), Mr Peter Seah (Chairman, DBS), Mr Davinder Singh (Senior Counsel), Professor Leo Tan (former Director of NIE), Professor Tan Cheng Han (Dean of Law, NUS) and Associate Professor Kwok Kian Woon (Head of Sociology, NTU). -
patpattan:
[/quote]yep... i agree... i already mentioned but maybe nobody read it... traditional super long history brand name schools like SJI and VS will REALLY slide in reputation and COP if this time still dont get IP, luckily both did it... too much competition already from IP schools for top brains of Pri6kiaaik:
[quote=\"tanbh\"]
I am also very impressed by the Victoria spirit.
Good school, great products.
Looks like the newcomers will give the incumbent IP schools a good fight. SJI has lined up an impressive list of old boys to support its IP/IB implementation. Extracted from its website:
SJI has formed a Leadership Panel to guide and give advice on the implementation of the Josephian IP track to ensure that the IP curriculum and delivery meet the needs of higher education and the global economy. The panel comprises our distinguished Alumni. It is chaired by Mr Philip Yeo (Chairman, SPRING Singapore) with Professor Tan Chorh Chuan (President, NUS) as Deputy Chairman. The members include, among others, Mr Lim Chee Onn (Chairman, SingBridge), Mr Peter Seah (Chairman, DBS), Mr Davinder Singh (Senior Counsel), Professor Leo Tan (former Director of NIE), Professor Tan Cheng Han (Dean of Law, NUS) and Associate Professor Kwok Kian Woon (Head of Sociology, NTU).
SJI had been burdened and pull down by the lower COP from affiliated schools, that is why it CANT performed that well when comparing L1R5 .... others schools like Cedar ,Cresent, Victoria dont have this issue....but SJI improved their standings recently and made it to BAND1 abit later
but i guess SJI would do it better if can partner with a girls school.... than can really give those Boy Girl marriage big name schools a real fight.... otherwise is like fighting alone when pple have galfren & siblings (offspring same name JC) to assist... like 2 or 3 fighting against 1 ...
so in my opinion ACS/HCI/RI/VS grouping of schools would still have some advantage over SJI .... and the CHS/St Nic/SCGS+ unknown JC is another half baked \"good idea\" and SJI with own extended Sec5-6 will have advantage over this weird idea, i m glad for SJI old boys.... likely CHS/St Nic/SCGS+ unknown JC wouldnt really work well one in my humble opinion....likely either many would not choose these schools or would Defect later after Sec 4 to other better brand name jc for those top end students.... fortunately, SJI avoided this \"fate\"
i am quite sure many old boys and old gals from CHS,SNGS and SCGS will be pissed but Main Stream Media would not report much of that.... sad for them.... -
We are talking about smart kids with PSLE 250 points and above here. So good exam results is a given for them, and what will be critical is whether they are equipped with the necessary life skills for success in life. Hence in my view, what will differentiate one IP from another is the school’s emphasis on developing the kids holistically, imbuing them with self confidence, communication and leadership skills etc. This is where I feel schools which have deep traditions, strong character and good networks will have an advantage.
It seems to me that MOE has deviated from the IP principle by coming out with funny partnerships which will make it difficult for true integration to take place. Even RI and RGS have to take many years before their IP is truely integrated. To do so for schools without common history and ties will be even more challenging. Good luck to all of them. -
kiaaik:
how do u see the vs-vjc merger?[/quote]my personal opinion \"ONI\" :
yep, saw that in yesterday's ST too.... those Victoria \"Lao\" boys seemed totally adamant nothing is going to change in VS all boys status , \"like walk over their dead bodies first\" .... and doing much plan/leg work for FREE for their alma mater using own time....tanbh:
[quote=\"kiaaik\"]I read in the Straits Times today about how a group of 8 old boys and teachers of VS has courted Cedar. I am really impressed with the Victorian brand of education, and won't have any hesitation sending my children to VS and CGS.
I think a VS-VJC merger will be in the pipeline in the future, as mentioned in the same newspapers report.
but Victoria school boys are quite known for their school spirit, also heard people say they \"over\" cheer during sports events ... IF/when it come to the crunch, i think they would even \"start a war\" against VJC or VS's MOE appointed principals (since VS and VJC are both government school, good as CHEAPER FEEs!) or MOE if anyone TRY to convert VS into Co-ed school .... and with 2 Victoria School old boys being a former and e Current Chief of Defence Force (Chief of entire SAF) ... start real war also not really \"impossible\" :idea: especially both also were S'pore's Chief of Army before promoted to the highest SAF post... just joking lah
merger is easier and more relevant for INDEPENDENT schools....which both VS and VJC are not (still govt schools)...i cant remember but it seems started by Hwa CHong group and then copy-cat by another indep school group of Raffles... or izzit the other way round.... if more or less decided go independent... the BOARDs which runs everything including finances.... can re-organized the principalship and hired and fire ... not so easy if both are govt schools .... where 1 of the principal go etc... must talk/discuss alot with MOE etc....
the goal and aspirations of the schools and the feeder students must be almost exactly the same ..... there currently still exist some gap between VS (, Cedar) and VJC ....
VS and Cedar tends to focus on all roundedness of a student and sports and not necessarily get the top 5-8 % of each cohort....they cheer each other in sports and everything and it doesnt matter even if they loses... sportsmenship, character development and school spirit is most important
VJC seems to prefer to just get the top academic students on board by focusing on top end COP .... and the atmosphere is WINNING & RESULT producing (not necessary academic result) and must be number 1 in competitions or sports , get number 2 or 3 (silver or bronze) you risk your achievement not be even reported by the principal or teacher to the JC
thats what i researched and saw some old VS to VJC boys stated online...
and that last year or 2008 ... 5 captains of Sports/CCA groups of Victoria School joined RI(JC) instead of VJC .... exactly y only they will know but could be due to the atmosphere issue....or RI accepts those CCA/sports talents on DSA terms but VJC do not....
that are also unofficial speculation that previous/earlier VS proposal to go IP with VJC did not work out because VJC (leadership) previously could be looking down on potential girls schools that VS wished to work with like Cedar or TKGS.... OR that MOE told VS & VJC not to disturb those girls school (before the recent policy change to EXPAND IP scheme)
short term... unlikely... but once after 5-10years doing IP together... the school spirits of VS and Cedar - of not solely focused academically on WINNING could spread more to VJC .... and the schools' spirit may converge on both ways ... then it maybe be a better time to consider
but i personally think that Merger is more for independent schools; and probably more semantics than providing real substantial benefits -
kiaaik:
No i mean IP dropout. I'm a student in the school itself and i'm rather worried x.xxxjustakidxx:
Wait ah wait ah if a ip dropout in hci wishes to apply for hci(jc), and does poorly for CCA, can he get 2 bonus affiliation points?
hci no more o levels, of cos no more bonus pts :lol: -
tanbh:
Actually, I thought the present location of RV is even more convenient than its previous Pandan Garden location. It is within 5 minutes walking diatance from the MRT station unlike previous locations like West Coast, Malan Road etc...I don't know about other people but I surely don't like to the need to transfer to a bus during any journey, the time needed to wait for buses is unpredictable and can be quite long. MRT is more predictable.
... then sway2 located in the \"Wild Wild west\"..... , -
Sun, Feb 14, 2010
The Straits Times
IP schools' pre-U intake has gone up
By Leow Si Wan
ARE you among those who believe that the places in the top junior colleges here have been taken up by students in the Integrated Programme (IP) in these schools?
The Ministry of Education (MOE) has come out to say that the number of places in these JCs has, in fact, been increased.
A ministry spokesman, responding to queries from The Straits Times, said: 'To ensure that O-level students continue to have access to the junior colleges which offer IP, the MOE has increased the capacity in these JCs in tandem with their implementation of IP.'
This newspaper raised the issue with the MOE on the back of parents writing in to express concern over what they perceived as a space crunch in the junior colleges following the release of the O-level examination results.
Hwa Chong Institution (HCI), Raffles Institution and National Junior College are among the top schools which have expanded their pre-university intake since 2004, when they began admitting students for the IP.
For example, HCI - which, like all top pre-university schools here, runs the IP - has raised its non-IP intake by about 40 per cent since 2005.
Students in the IP at these top schools undergo an integrated education and bypass the O levels. They thus go straight into JC classes in these schools - the same year their non-IP peers are seeking admission to the JCs after their O levels.
Other than the top schools which have increased their capacity, other post-secondary options have opened up in the last decade to students who have completed their O levels.
For those who want to do their A levels, three more junior colleges have opened - Pioneer JC in 2000, Meridian JC in 2003 and Innova JC in 2005.
Those wanting to finish their post-secondary education with the International Baccalaureate may enrol at Anglo-Chinese School (Independent). Dunman High School and River Valley High School, which previously ran classes up to the O levels, now offer the A-level programme as well, while the NUS High School of Mathematics and Science gives out its own diploma.
Parents, however, still seem to fret over a perceived lack of options.
Those whose children have failed to get into the JC of their choice have written in to the newspaper, blaming the IP as well as the Direct School Admission (DSA) programme for taking up places.
The DSA allows JCs and independent institutions to admit between 10 per cent and 20 per cent of their students based on special talents or their achievements in co-curricular activities (CCAs).
Parent Toh Siew Tin, for instance, wrote that her daughter could not get into HCI despite bagging 10 distinctions.
She is not alone.
The daughter of Mrs V. Siba, 44, scored four points - a raw score of eight with a deduction of four points for Higher Mother Tongue and CCA - and still could not get into Victoria JC.
The MOE would say only that the cut-off points for JCs had remained fairly stable over the years.
But checks with the websites of some schools showed that cut-off scores for the top JCs and private institutions now range between three and five, and have been taking a long, slow dip through the years, at least in some schools.
Educators and professionals in the service said these lower cut-off points are a result of higher standards, not lack of places in the schools.
So to students with apparently sterling grades who fail to get into the JC they want, the short answer is this: As good as their grades are, others who also want a place did better.
Government Parliamentary Committee for Education chairman Josephine Teo noted the silver lining: 'More people are getting As now and overall standards have gone up. We should be happy that our children are doing so well.'
In the end, students just have to be realistic about their choices, said principals.
Meridian JC principal Esther Lai said: 'If a student's cut-off point doesn't meet the school's requirements, he or she should pick a school which will offer a higher chance for admission.'
Parents may be in greater despair than their children, who seem to accept that this is the way the cookie crumbles in a competitive system.
Brandon Tan, 17 and in his first year in the science stream in Anglo-Chinese JC, spoke for several students.
Armed with a score of 10 points for his grades in English and five other relevant subjects, he could not get into Temasek JC, his first choice.
He accepted it with grace.
'I tried applying but I knew 10 points was not good enough to gain admission into Temasek, so I wasn't surprised at not being accepted. I am very happy in ACJC now and I really like the school and its culture.'
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20100212-198355.html
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