PCF/PAP Kindergartens
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Anyway, I want to make this discussion a full stop. We have different opinions on this issue, and they are not easily to be changed. I still stick to my point. None of us should be blamed.
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Chiew:
If you have a choice and financially ok, would recommend you to go elsewhere.Hi,
Any comments on PCF at Lor Ah Soo blk 125, please.
Thank you.
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sophie80:
Anyway, I want to make this discussion a full stop. We have different opinions on this issue, and they are not easily to be changed. I still stick to my point. None of us should be blamed.
Sophie80,
I agree with you. I don't mean to discriminate either but I think if a child is autistic, the child will need special attention which PCF cannot provide and the teachers are not trained to look after either. We send our kids to school in order to ensure that they are there learning stuf and well prepared for p1. But if there was an autistic child there that was taking up the teachers time, or worse going around disturbing other kids, what good is there for us to send our kids to the schoo
What I suggest is that PCF start specific branches for special needs children. -
kaitlynangelica:
Do you have special needs kids, or have worked with special needs kids or their parents? Any experience there? If not, you may want to validate those assumptions you made? ... there are several in there that have been discussed in previous posts.sophie80:
Anyway, I want to make this discussion a full stop. We have different opinions on this issue, and they are not easily to be changed. I still stick to my point. None of us should be blamed.
Sophie80,
I agree with you. I don't mean to discriminate either but I think if a child is autistic, the child will need special attention which PCF cannot provide and the teachers are not trained to look after either. We send our kids to school in order to ensure that they are there learning stuf and well prepared for p1. But if there was an autistic child there that was taking up the teachers time, or worse going around disturbing other kids, what good is there for us to send our kids to the schoo
What I suggest is that PCF start specific branches for special needs children.
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I totally agree.
Actually sophie80 you don’t have to be too worried about having a child with special needs in your child’s class. Maybe your child will even learn something that she will never be able to learn in her lifetime? All these values and all have to be learnt through life and academics will never be able to teacher her these. If everything is about just academics, the world will really be a cold place.
If i have a kid without special needs and then one with special needs, what am i going to do?Separate them? Buy 2 houses for each? Of cos i will love them both equally right?
Personally, i have been to a child care center where there was a austistic boy.Though he maybe a little disruptive at times, he learnt to sit down and his friends age 3 accepted him for who he is and learnt to share with him.
And if you really cannot accept the child,you could always change school. But if it happens that the other school accepts a special needs child what are you going to do? Change school again?
Even in primary schools nowadays they are incooporating special needs into the school.Some autistic kids are attending mainstream schools… so why not teach your child how to cope with the situation instead of avoiding it?
I personally came from a primary school and class where there was a special needs child.He was not autistic, smth else, but i must say through that 2 years spent with him, i learnt to care, love show sympathy and help people and have to have a heart for the weak, and i must say it was also how the teacher explained to us that helped alot.We did not discriminate against him instead we included him in our games and recesses. He brought joy to many of us being ever so cheerful and ready to help us in any way that he could.(Even if it meant bringing a piece of tissue to us when he saw us cry) -
Just to share my thoughts after reading all these. My friend’s autistic boy has just joined a PCF and settled in nicely. In his class, a normal kid is still acting up, disrupting the class and thus taking away the teachers’ time from other children. Sounds familiar to sophie80’s concerns? Except this is the reverse situation. My questions:
1) Should the other parents, including my friend, pressurize the principal to have this disruptive but normal kid remove?
2) If the answer is no, why are only children with special needs always under undue scrutiny and pressure such that every little undesirable behaviour puts them at risk to be asked to leave? Why is the focus only on special needs children? Why are normal children’s disruptive behaviour tolerated but not the one with special needs? We should start to ask ourselves what is our true concern - the behaviour or the label?
It also brings me to wonder what would have happened to my daughter who is normal but was crying for months when she first joined a playgroup. Her excessive crying was to the point of my deep embarrassment and apology (my heartache aside) but I was grateful that no one minded enough to make us leave the school. Instead, the parents were very understanding and supportive, assuring me that she would settle in soon (which she never really did till 6 months later).
Now reading the comments from parents like sophie80 and the like, I wonder if we would still have received the same understanding if she had been autistic or had some special needs. If the answer is no, it will be really disturbing and perhaps time for us to search our conscience.
You may also want to ask yourselves what kind of environment you want to expose your children to while they are young and impressionable. For me, a principal who is willing to take in a child with special needs despite the challenges (including undue pressure from some disapproving parents) speaks volume about the kind of values she upholds. Should we support what she’s doing or make her life difficult?
At the end of the day, we as parents have the ability to tell what’s right from wrong and the control to teach our children appropriately. The issue is not so much about the special needs child anymore, but what kind of upbringing we want to expose our own children to. -
sophie80:
自闭症儿童 = Autistic in English. Autism/Autistic has appeared few times in others' response so please do not conveniently say you do not know how to say it in English. Please make an effort to google & know more about autism. It is really not so scary after learning more about the condition.By saying special kids i mean 自闭症儿童 as i dont know how to say it in english. Any special kids other than 自闭症儿童 is not within the scope of our discussion. Sorry abt the confusion.
Thanks,
BTW, my special needs child is Autistic. He doesn't display \"BAD\" behavior that often except maybe when he melts down. When he melts-down, it is always due to some \"anxiety attack\" or \"there is a change in daily structure that he cannot accept\". Like I said in my earlier post, he displays good manners when he readily greets the seniors and this is an exemplary conduct (lacking in many normal children; including my (other; normal) son).
Since you only want to talk about Autism, generally, Autistic kids do not \"attack\" people, unless
1. they have underlying ADHD condition manifesting within ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) ; &/or
2. they have been provoked
My son attends a special school. I have seen all the rest of the Autistic kids in his school and none are as disruptive as you had described. Yes they cry (meltdown) but they don't \"attack\" one another. Due to their lack of \"spatial awareness\", they may push & shove & they may even lean against your body but hey, normal kids push & shove too! Normal kids may grow up slashing one another too hence normal kids \"attack\" too! I guess my point is \"it takes all sorts of people to make up this world\".
Although I disagree with your views, I respect that we are entitled our own views. I just feel that your views stem from the lack of understanding of Autism to begin with. At this point, if I could be granted my wish, I implore you to read up more about the condition so you can gain a better understanding of the condition & can assist to explain to your daughter what the condition is about. It is really not that scary.
And of course, thanks for raising this, for it reminds us, the parents of Autistic children & also the relevant authority, that we have a lot of work to do to help \"educate\" members of the public who are clueless about Autism & who would rather choose to remain clueless; there's certainly a need to help generate greater awareness amongst the clueless.
May the Force be with us. Bless us; Bless the people.
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\"The colours of the rainbow so pretty in the sky...\"
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Hi all,
Sophie80 and d rest, if PCF is willing to open branches for special needs all over Singapore, I will be the first to jump for joy.
Maybe me and other parents are too "selfish" that we never ever bother to look for a special needs class for our kids? Maybe we are too "selfish" to even bother to BEG the government to do something - lesser waiting time to subsidised classes or cheaper classes?
No matter where u run, even to the end of the world, you will meet at least one special need person.
I have 3 kids and the youngest has autism. So before I experienced parenting an autistic child, I have dealt with "normal" kids. And I have never ever thought of "running" away or thought of teaching my kids to "stay" away from the "not-normal" people.
Sophie80, you want to stop the discussion, but the problem remains. And you are not the only one who has this mindset. As a mother, I wished I can shelter my kid from the likes of you. I want to run and bring him with me. I want to beg all Singaporeans to change their selfish mindsets.
But all these are impossible. Maybe we, parents of the autistics, should just accept the fact that our children are "bad".
I wonder if we can publish this discussion to the press. Any idea anyone?
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