Secondary School Selection 2012

[jedamum]

kwcllf:

anneshirleygilbert:

Still need a little more clarification....


Does anyone know if this scenario has ever happened: where all the places in a school get filled up just by First Choice applications?

Still mulling over this very complicated affair....

No lah. don't work this way. You can refer to the PSLE booklet to find out how schools are being allocated. It all depends on the student's result.

It doesn't mean that if Student A put SJI (just an example) as First Choice and Student B put SJI as Second Choice, Student A will get in. If Student B has a higher T-Score than Student A and put SJI as Second Choice, he will still get in before Student A.

Another example. If s there is only one more place left in SJI, and if both Student A and Student B apply for that school, Student B will get in although it is his Second Choice becos his T-Score is higher than Student A.

And if both of them have the same T-Score, then MOE will go into the decimals to decide who has the higher T-Score.

will all affiliated pri sch students able to get in if meet affiliated COP, or still have to depend on what is left over after other non-affiliated sch students have taken up the places since non-affl cop is higher?

[Happy Mama]

Based on my understanding, as long as affiliated students meet the affiliated COP, they will automatically get in. Only the balance will be left for the Non-Affiliated… Please correct me if I’m wrong.

[BeContented]

SAHM_TAN:

BeContented:

[quote=\"SAHM_TAN\"]Just curious. Parents with kids in real neighbourhood school, do you let them try test papers from the top schools?

Of course
If I just based on his school's easy exam papers, I'll still be in dreamland dreaming that DS is a 270s calibre :rotflmao: Which of course I know he's not. Better shock & expose DS earlier to difficult questions rather than during PSLE itself.

Was he able to handle them? I'm trying to understand is it a case of difference content or exposure to application type of qns and higher order type of qns.[/quote]Generally, there was a drop of 15-25 marks. For DS, Science & Chinese were the worst hit, even Maths was not spared. Content is probably similar. For languages, it's more of the difficulty/standard....eg. vocab, comprehension passages etc. For Science, less direct more application type and more varied. For Maths, more higher order questions.

[alng]

jedamum:

will all affiliated pri sch students able to get in if meet affiliated COP, or still have to depend on what is left over after other non-affiliated sch students have taken up the places since non-affl cop is higher?

All affiliated pri sch students will enter the sec school first so long they meet the affiliated COP. Then whatever leftover vacancies will be given to non-affiliated students. The COP will then be determined. This is why NYGH's COP is higher than RGS, not because NYGH is more popular than RGS but because girls from NYPS get in first at COP of 250 before the non-affiliated students get in.

For those affiliated sec schools which are offering IP and O level dual routes now, where part of their seats are now converted to IP seats, there might be a situation in future that even when affiliated pri school girls meet the affiliated COP, demand may exceed supply and not every girl who meets the affiliated COP will enter the sec school.

[anneshirleygilbert]

Thank you, everyone, for your contribution.


Have a clearer picture now, much relieved as it appears the award of your choice of school is primarily dependent on the student’s individual merit.

Shall patiently wait for Nov 22.

[jedamum]

alng:

jedamum:

will all affiliated pri sch students able to get in if meet affiliated COP, or still have to depend on what is left over after other non-affiliated sch students have taken up the places since non-affl cop is higher?

All affiliated pri sch students will enter the sec school first so long they meet the affiliated COP. Then whatever leftover vacancies will be given to non-affiliated students. The COP will then be determined. This is why NYGH's COP is higher than RGS, not because NYGH is more popular than RGS but because girls from NYPS get in first at COP of 250 before the non-affiliated students get in.

For those affiliated sec schools which are offering IP and O level dual routes now, where part of their seats are now converted to IP seats, there might be a situation in future that even when affiliated pri school girls meet the affiliated COP, demand may exceed supply and not every girl who meets the affiliated COP will enter the sec school.

hm...does it mean for dual routes, they will limit the proportion of affiliated students intake? or they will still admit affiliated students first (based on your first para if i read correctly)? if the latter, the non-affiliated students opting for O-level route will be badly hit.

[jtoh]

jedamum:

alng:

[quote=\"jedamum\"]
will all affiliated pri sch students able to get in if meet affiliated COP, or still have to depend on what is left over after other non-affiliated sch students have taken up the places since non-affl cop is higher?

All affiliated pri sch students will enter the sec school first so long they meet the affiliated COP. Then whatever leftover vacancies will be given to non-affiliated students. The COP will then be determined. This is why NYGH's COP is higher than RGS, not because NYGH is more popular than RGS but because girls from NYPS get in first at COP of 250 before the non-affiliated students get in.

For those affiliated sec schools which are offering IP and O level dual routes now, where part of their seats are now converted to IP seats, there might be a situation in future that even when affiliated pri school girls meet the affiliated COP, demand may exceed supply and not every girl who meets the affiliated COP will enter the sec school.

hm...does it mean for dual routes, they will limit the proportion of affiliated students intake? or they will still admit affiliated students first (based on your first para if i read correctly)? if the latter, the non-affiliated students opting for O-level route will be badly hit.[/quote]For dual route schools, the same applies. Affliated students have priority admission to the O level route, not the IP route. So as long as they meet the affliation COP, they will get in. Followed by the non-affliates.

[alng]

jedamum:

alng:

[quote=\"jedamum\"]
will all affiliated pri sch students able to get in if meet affiliated COP, or still have to depend on what is left over after other non-affiliated sch students have taken up the places since non-affl cop is higher?

All affiliated pri sch students will enter the sec school first so long they meet the affiliated COP. Then whatever leftover vacancies will be given to non-affiliated students. The COP will then be determined. This is why NYGH's COP is higher than RGS, not because NYGH is more popular than RGS but because girls from NYPS get in first at COP of 250 before the non-affiliated students get in.

For those affiliated sec schools which are offering IP and O level dual routes now, where part of their seats are now converted to IP seats, there might be a situation in future that even when affiliated pri school girls meet the affiliated COP, demand may exceed supply and not every girl who meets the affiliated COP will enter the sec school.

hm...does it mean for dual routes, they will limit the proportion of affiliated students intake? or they will still admit affiliated students first (based on your first para if i read correctly)? if the latter, the non-affiliated students opting for O-level route will be badly hit.[/quote]There will be no limit. I agree with you that the non-affiliated students will be badly hit.

Let's have a numeric example.

Previously with O levels route only. No of P6 = 200. No of Sec 1 = 300. Assume all 200 P6 students meet affiliated COP and enter sec 1. Non-affiliated students will take up the other 100 seats. COP = 250.

Currently with IP and O levels route. No of P6 = 200. No of IP = 150. No of O levels route = 150. There is no affiliation for IP. Say COP for IP is 255 and only 20 affiliated P6 girls get into IP. The remaining 180 meet the affiliated COP for O levels but there are only 150 seats for O levels. So the COP for O levels will be higher than the affiliated COP. All 150 O level seats will be taken by affiliated P6 students.

[SAHM_TAN]

BeContented:

SAHM_TAN:

Was he able to handle them? I'm trying to understand is it a case of difference content or exposure to application type of qns and higher order type of qns.

Generally, there was a drop of 15-25 marks. For DS, Science & Chinese were the worst hit, even Maths was not spared. Content is probably similar. For languages, it's more of the difficulty/standard....eg. vocab, comprehension passages etc. For Science, less direct more application type and more varied. For Maths, more higher order questions.

Thanks for sharing.

I have a better idea on what I have to do next yr.

[jedamum]

alng:

There will be no limit. I agree with you that the non-affiliated students will be badly hit.

Let's have a numeric example.

Previously with O levels route only. No of P6 = 200. No of Sec 1 = 300. Assume all 200 P6 students meet affiliated COP and enter sec 1. Non-affiliated students will take up the other 100 seats. COP = 250.

Currently with IP and O levels route. No of P6 = 200. No of IP = 150. No of O levels route = 150. There is no affiliation for IP. Say COP for IP is 255 and only 20 affiliated P6 girls get into IP. The remaining 180 meet the affiliated COP for O levels but there are only 150 seats for O levels. So the COP for O levels will be higher than the affiliated COP. All 150 O level seats will be taken by affiliated P6 students.

thanks alng for explaining.
it seems like for non-affiliated pri sch students, getting into o-level stream of dual stream sch is getting much harder. without knowing the cop into the school for non-affiliated students, it is high risk for non-affiliated students who want to opt for o-level route in a dual stream sch as the first cut is given to affiliated students. while ACSI has past records as a benchmark, this may be the first for SJI, so the current COP of 241 may be pushed quite high. hope my intepretation is correct.