Is GEP really necessary?
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2ppaamm:
Yes, for English. For example, in one of the performance task, I believed that the teacher and the pupils have a discussion in class on the topic. The pupils then have to plan and write down their thoughts on the piece of information report planning sheet. On my son's report planning sheet, I saw a mind map with the different branches of subheadings and one or two pointers under each subheadings. I would say that my ds has a good and hardworking English teacher.
Ok, help me understand this. Prior to the drafts, were the kids guided on how they should write for these? If so, how were they guided?PiggyLalala:
However, for me, I am very appreciative because with the teachers' feedback and comments, my boys can improve his work after each draft. I thought that was something positive in the GE program. However, on the other hand, because of the higher standard and the time spent in improving each piece of work, the pupils have lesser drilling time for PSLE.
Btw, the GEP unit has made some changes to the program, especially on the topics for the SS portfolios and science. I feel that some of the changes are good but some are NOT. Somehow, I think the GE unit, do listen and make changes based on the teachers' feedback and maybe on the parents' feedback too. But sad to say, not all changes are good. :sad: -
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2ppaamm:
I am sure we are all grateful when given some opportunities. If we were to assume IQ is distributed equally among people of all social status, then for every GEP child whose IQ is higher than their parents', there is also another 99 less capable children with IQ higher than their parents'. They would need that EEIS or scholarship for the rest of their education more than the GEPers who are financially well off.
I think the EEIS that are given to the GEPpers who do not do so well in the PSLE will not deprive the mainstream pupils from getting it.
EEIS is for the top one-third of pupils who are going to the independent schools. ( so if there are 9000 pupils going to independent schools, then top 1/3 = 3000 pupils of those going to independent schools .) Hence, my interpretation, would be as long as pupils did well in PSLE and belong to the top one-third of those going to independent school, he qualifies for the EEIS. So the EEIS that was given to the GEppers who did not do so well, will not deprive another top students from getting it. Furthermore, it is not an entitlement to all Geppers who did not do well. The GE branch will also look into the child performance and attitude/behaviour in their 3 GE years.
The above is only my interpretation, please correct me if I am wrong.
Here is my next thought. I am totally for providing financial help. In fact, I don't agree to those independent school concept, it is like semi-government schools and private school wanna-be, I believe those schools should be free like government schools. But that is for another discussion. My suggestion is to provide scholarship based upon the PSLE results alone, and have the same standard for ALL students, not one for the GEPpers, and another for the non. Don't you think that would be much fairer to everyone? And, if the GEPper kid is smarter, he will get his scholarship anyway.
I am also against the independent schools. I think they are for the rich. With EEis the fee of $100+ per month is still expensive. Without EEis, it is even ridiculous, $300 X12 = $3600 per year. However, having say tt, there are fianancial schemes that students can apply but again not all families like to apply. They prefer to 靠自己。
You will be just as grateful, without people giving you the :roll: You see, in one case, you earned it on a level playing field. On another, it is some kind of entitlement. Which would people 服？
Most of the GEPpers earned DSA and EEis on a level field in the sense that they meet the COP of the sec sch tt they DSA to and also the EEis COP. To the minority who did not, i take it as a consolation prize to the poor kids who must be feeling very very lousy. Time is needed to heal the pain of such kids. That is the risk that every GEP parents need to bear when they decide the child to be in GEP. -
errr… I think EEIS is given to top 3% plse scorer for mainstream n not the top one-third of pupils in PSLE. overall, Top one third of pupil in ip schools only but majority filled up by geppers!!!
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Melodies:
errr... I think EEIS is given to top 3% plse scorer for mainstream n not the top one-third of pupils in PSLE. overall, Top one third of pupil in ip schools only but majority filled up by geppers!!!
That's incorrect.
EESIS is for students enrolled in INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS, not integrated programme schools.
There are only about 500 GEPpers each year and not all of them will be in independent schools. How many students are there in independent schools? Thousands?
So long as any student meets the cut-off for EESIS and is enrolled in an independent school, through train or not, he will be given EESIS. The scholarship isn't limited by numbers but by performance. -
BTW, I am now confused who is addressing what to me. Don't short cut my nickname, otherwise, I don't know whether you are referring to me or another person, so I don't know whether to respond or not, K?
I have also asked Chief to change my nickname so that it is easier for everyone, I know this one is a bit cryptic. -
Wait… a bit confused now. I recall some kids who are in independent schools who score well within the 1/3 (about 235) but still have to pay the $200-$300 school fees, then those who score above about 265 don’t have to pay any. Which are we talking about now?
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PiggyLalala:
EESIS is awarded only to GEP students who continue their education in independent secondary schools. And for those who go to Independent Schools but choose not to opt for SBGE, they're not awarded EESIS either.[/color]
2ppaamm:
I am sure we are all grateful when given some opportunities. If we were to assume IQ is distributed equally among people of all social status, then for every GEP child whose IQ is higher than their parents', there is also another 99 less capable children with IQ higher than their parents'. They would need that EEIS or scholarship for the rest of their education more than the GEPers who are financially well off.
I think the EEIS that are given to the GEPpers who do not do so well in the PSLE will not deprive the mainstream pupils from getting it.
EEIS is for the top one-third of pupils in PSLE and who are going to the independent schools. Hence, my interpretation, would be as long as pupils did well in PSLE and belong to the top one-third, he qualifies for the EEIS. So the EEIS that was given to the GEppers who did not do so well, will not deprive another top students from getting it. Furthermore, it is not an entitlement to all Geppers who did not do well. The GE branch will also look into the child performance and attitude/behaviour in their 3 GE years.
The above is only my interpretation, please correct me if I am wrong.
GEP students who get into independent schools via DSA and subsequently do not meet that school's COP are not that many. Top schools are very discerning in who they give DSA COs to. The 80% minimum score for P5 and P6 results already cuts off the weaker students. (Note: weaker compared to the whole GEP cohort. But the majority of these students do score at least 250 in PSLE). -
slmkhoo:
Needless to say, I have to agree that educated home makers are the most important resources in our society, and I am not exaggerating. I say this not to downplay the importance of working mothers, nor non-educated mothers. But as a mother and considerably highly educated, I think I added more value to my family, my husband, my children and ultimately to the society much more than if I were uneducated.Mychildren:
To me, all my certificates are useless now as I'm now a homemaker.
I really hope you aren't serious when you say that! I am one of those highly-educated homemakers that people probably think 'wasted' her education. I have been a SAHM for the past 15 yrs. I would almost certainly have tried to return to the workforce, at least part-time, if we had lived in Singapore, but with constant moves overseas and having to help kids adjust, monitor schoolwork, homeschool etc, it's not been possible to do more than the occasional small freelance job. Still, I like to think that I add value to my kids' home environment and overall education, and the things I studied do help. I know they appreciate my being at home for them (although they grumble too). And you may want to re-enter the workforce eventually. I do, when we finally return to Singapore next year.
I admire traveling spouses, there are so many sacrifices to make, so many things to juggle with, and so many things to deal with - the children's education as they move from place to place (I know because I have to deal with this frequently as well), keeping the family together, helping everyone get used to the new culture etc. All these are so important. Hey, even doing groceries is a challenge!
We have downplayed the role of SAHM in the name of advancement, I think to a sad outcome. Many women equate their worth to the pay check, but you know, pay check comes in different forms. It can come in the form of a scholarship, kids who need less tuition (because mother is more educated), and kids who are out of trouble (because mum is always there for them, kids who will be successful in the working world with successful careers and husbands who have better increments because family is taken care of.
I am not a SAHM, but I dare say I spend more time than many moms with my kids and do much more with them and for them. I have never felt any of my education has been wasted because I did not maximize my earning potential. The intangibles derived from the sacrifice is so worth it. The country will not function as well without these educated and super smart moms who choose to stay at home and become role models. We need them more than ever! :grphug: :celebrate: -
jtoh:
Just ONE is enough to cause dissent and unfairness. Question is not the number, it is the double standard. As for the EEIS, which does not seem to tally with what I witness, maybe because there was a change somewhere, seems to have no purpose at all, giving two different criteria for GEPpers and non, because by logic, a GEPper should fair above that 1/3 mark. Since GEPpers also take PSLE, then this double standard logically serves no purpose at all. :skeptical:
GEP students who get into independent schools via DSA and subsequently do not meet that school's COP are not that many. -
jtoh:
EESIS is awarded only to GEP students who continue their education in independent secondary schools. And for those who go to Independent Schools but choose not to opt for SBGE, they're not awarded EESIS either.PiggyLalala:
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I am sure we are all grateful when given some opportunities. If we were to assume IQ is distributed equally among people of all social status, then for every GEP child whose IQ is higher than their parents', there is also another 99 less capable children with IQ higher than their parents'. They would need that EEIS or scholarship for the rest of their education more than the GEPers who are financially well off.
I think the EEIS that are given to the GEPpers who do not do so well in the PSLE will not deprive the mainstream pupils from getting it.
EEIS is for the top one-third of pupils in PSLE and who are going to the independent schools. Hence, my interpretation, would be as long as pupils did well in PSLE and belong to the top one-third, he qualifies for the EEIS. So the EEIS that was given to the GEppers who did not do so well, will not deprive another top students from getting it. Furthermore, it is not an entitlement to all Geppers who did not do well. The GE branch will also look into the child performance and attitude/behaviour in their 3 GE years.
The above is only my interpretation, please correct me if I am wrong.
GEP students who get into independent schools via DSA and subsequently do not meet that school's COP are not that many. Top schools are very discerning in who they give DSA COs to. The 80% minimum score for P5 and P6 results already cuts off the weaker students. (Note: weaker compared to the whole GEP cohort. But the majority of these students do score at least 250 in PSLE).[/quote]Thanks for the clarification. You have the facts nicely written.
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