Is GEP really necessary?
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Mychildren:
Sure will Do!ruohoo97,
Ok. I understand what you said. Will continue to pray for him and pray together with him.
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ksi:
Personally, I feel that my mother was my best school for motherhood. This informal school is the best, consultation is free too...
Now maybe ksp.com is an alternative...kekeke
You are right! That is why I come here so often....that my kids peeping and saying \"you? kiasuing again? But I have really learnt a lOT! Thanks! -
beanbear:
Motherhood, stay-at-home or go to work, deserves more recognition than is available. Mothers live with a lot of guilt about not doing enough even when we are already doing loads. Dunno whether someone implanted some gene inside us to keep striving to do more and more for our children. Anyway, I notice more mothers suffering from guilt than fathers, at least among my group of friends.
That is true. My DH is really relax when come to children's education. He often says we are not live our life through our children.
What's driving us to try so hard? I guess it's instinctive for us to want our kids to have as good or better a life than we have. No manual was given to us although it's probably the toughest or one of the toughest jobs in the world. So much to learn and most of the learning comes from making mistakes.
With 4 kids, I get to refine and adjust my parenting along the way based on the mistakes I made with older ones. Just the other day, my DS1 said to me \"So we were experiments to you, right?\" when I was sharing how I'm doing things differently for DS3. I responded, \"I didn't get any manual when I became a parent so I could only experiment!\" Parents are really scientists. We observe, we look for what are the critical variables, what results we are getting if we adjust one of the variables and then observe again....
As for rewards, ahhh, that's goes to the heart of our self-worth. It's always nice to hear words of affirmation from our kids. Without any external form of gratification, and rewards then what will be our source of gratification for this difficult work called parenthood?
Rewards? I dare not to dream. Just hope that one day my kids will realize that they will be the same to their own children.ๅฏๆๅคฉไธ็ถๆฏๅฟ
Parenting geniuses, gifted kids or mainstream kids or kids with learning difficulties, - can there be a measurement for what is easier? In the same vein, can we really measure what is easier, teaching geniuses, gifted, mainstream or kids with learning difficulties? In the end what do all kids want from their parents? What do all kids want from those who teach them. My understanding of humanity so far is we all want ACCEPTANCE and unconditional LOVE. Kids, regardless of their intelligence or abilities, want acceptance from the significant adults in their lives, unconditional acceptance. Not the kind of acceptance that is dependent on what grades I get, or what school I go to.
Well said, thanks for reminding!
Actually I find children accept parents unconditionally, more easily than we do our kids. At least that's my experience. They forgive me more readily when I say sorry and forgive me even when I don't say sorry. They get past my mistakes more readily. I've started to see that these things that they do to me is certainly rewarding and they've given me an education of what it means to be better human being.
Sorry if I've gone off topic. Something just prompted to write. Thanks for reading. -
Beanbear Wrote:
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Parenting geniuses, gifted kids or mainstream kids or kids with learning difficulties, - can there be a measurement for what is easier? In the same vein, can we really measure what is easier, teaching geniuses, gifted, mainstream or kids with learning difficulties? In the end what do all kids want from their parents? What do all kids want from those who teach them. My understanding of humanity so far is we all want ACCEPTANCE and unconditional LOVE. Kids, regardless of their intelligence or abilities, want acceptance from the significant adults in their lives, unconditional acceptance. Not the kind of acceptance that is dependent on what grades I get, or what school I go to. Unquote
Well said.
Have to add that parents from poorer social backgrounds having kids with learning difficulties have the greatest challenge. Worse still, kids with learning difficulties having zero support from parents due to circumstances beyond their control face the kind of trauma that many of us may not even think of. There are kids who absent themsleves from sch so as to look after their even younger sibs bec parents are not home or parents who are either struggling to meet ends meet or due to dysfunctional families.
Generally kids of KSP parents (who come to KSP threads) are already a privileged lot regardless of their problems or kiasuness of their parents.
How many parents of the 50 000 kids every year have the resources/finances to send their kids to the top enrichment classess, all the right, left brain training, all the motivational courses, all the expensive GEP training and hobbies etc, let alone having the time to do volunteering work or finances to be renting properties near desired schs. If we take a step backwards and view things in a wider context, then we will realise that some of our parenting worries may just be unnecessary perceived obstacles that we have created for ourselves. -
Zeng:
This is so true.
Generally kids of KSP parents (who come to KSP threads) are already a privileged lot regardless of their problems or kiasuness of their parents.
How many parents of the 50 000 kids every year have the resources/finances to send their kids to the top enrichment classess, all the right, left brain training, all the motivational courses, all the expensive GEP training and hobbies etc, let alone having the time to do volunteering work or finances to be renting properties near desired schs. If we take a step backwards and view things in a wider context, then we will realise that some of our parenting worries may just be unnecessary perceived obstacles that we have created for ourselves.
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ruohoo97:
Me too. There are much to learn at ksp since we all come from diff background and each with diff pov.ksi:
Personally, I feel that my mother was my best school for motherhood. This informal school is the best, consultation is free too...
Now maybe ksp.com is an alternative...kekeke
You are right! That is why I come here so often....that my kids peeping and saying \"you? kiasuing again? But I have really learnt a lOT! Thanks! -
ksi:
Yes, I agree too. But its mother nature.
This is so true.Zeng:
Generally kids of KSP parents (who come to KSP threads) are already a privileged lot regardless of their problems or kiasuness of their parents.
How many parents of the 50 000 kids every year have the resources/finances to send their kids to the top enrichment classess, all the right, left brain training, all the motivational courses, all the expensive GEP training and hobbies etc, let alone having the time to do volunteering work or finances to be renting properties near desired schs. If we take a step backwards and view things in a wider context, then we will realise that some of our parenting worries may just be unnecessary perceived obstacles that we have created for ourselves.
I'm laughing at myself.
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:rotflmao: had a good laugh!... about the pigs. buds:
Here's wat mine said abt that toughest job in the world..
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=795984#p795984 -
Melodies:
Anyone can throw more lights on this? My question is why deprive those pupils from getting EESIS who have t-score in the range of better than 255 (someone told it it abt 255) for average GEPpers to 26O? Also, why there are more priority given to GEPper than mainstream in IP schools (NOT IS). If score 260 (albeit top 3% scorer), you may not be able to get into some of the good schools like RGS, NYG and RI and HCI.
The below is pure speculation.
I think that some GEP students don't score as well as they are expected to in exams. Students in the GEP are usually more intelligent and may be more hardworking than average, but the only real inference is that they are the top 1% who passed the GEP test - not the top 1% in intelligence or academics.
Besides, GEP students also do not study the normal curriculum which is tested in the PSLE. The GEP is designed to encourage self-learning/self-discovery and covers wide areas outside the curriculum. In my time, it was only in primary 6 when we started to do the same revision as other students, and not everyone could cope. It is highly possible that if these students studied the same syllabus in the previous years, they could have fared better. The EESIS system for GEP could be a means to mitigate this discrepancy.
PSLE also tests more hard work than intelligence. GEP students need not necessarily be more hardworking and therefore some may score lower.
However, I think that GE branch thinks that these GEP students are still able to cope with higher ability material. Therefore, the EESIS could be a means of encouragement to continue in the GEP. -
Yesterday, while driving the DS2 and DS3 home, DH asked me why I was typing so much these few daysโฆ so I told him whatโs happening in KSP and this thread. And DS2 overheard everything, and this is his take:
1. GEPpers are not the smartest, they are the most hardworking ones with tuition. In my P3 class, XXX, YYY and ZZZ are the smartest but they did not get into GEP. I thought they would, they were fast and learned the fastest in class. AAA, BBB, CCC and DDD got into GEP. They attended many classes after school and are so hardworking. So I donโt think they are the smartest but the most hardworking.
2. Strange that in the US, people will stand up when there is unequal rights, but not in Singapore. There are so many inequalities in the country but people donโt speak up, unless it hits them. People should speak up more, and inequality is always wrong.
I asked him if GEPpers should get those privileges they are getting. He said no. We should all fight the same things, and if we are good, no matter what curriculum we are given, we will excel.
He is 12, ex-GEPper, never did a single piece of homework in P3 (and I could not make him), went to the GEP test last minute when he found out his best friend (who also got into GEP) was sitting as well, and now in the university while dual enrolled in a primary school. Interesting views.
As you can see, DH is questioning, and those who are familiar will know what happens next.
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