Is GEP really necessary?
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ruohoo97:
Me too. There are much to learn at ksp since we all come from diff background and each with diff pov.ksi:
Personally, I feel that my mother was my best school for motherhood. This informal school is the best, consultation is free too...
Now maybe ksp.com is an alternative...kekeke
You are right! That is why I come here so often....that my kids peeping and saying \"you? kiasuing again? But I have really learnt a lOT! Thanks! -
ksi:
Yes, I agree too. But its mother nature.
This is so true.Zeng:
Generally kids of KSP parents (who come to KSP threads) are already a privileged lot regardless of their problems or kiasuness of their parents.
How many parents of the 50 000 kids every year have the resources/finances to send their kids to the top enrichment classess, all the right, left brain training, all the motivational courses, all the expensive GEP training and hobbies etc, let alone having the time to do volunteering work or finances to be renting properties near desired schs. If we take a step backwards and view things in a wider context, then we will realise that some of our parenting worries may just be unnecessary perceived obstacles that we have created for ourselves.
I'm laughing at myself.
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:rotflmao: had a good laugh!... about the pigs. buds:
Here's wat mine said abt that toughest job in the world..
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=795984#p795984 -
Melodies:
Anyone can throw more lights on this? My question is why deprive those pupils from getting EESIS who have t-score in the range of better than 255 (someone told it it abt 255) for average GEPpers to 26O? Also, why there are more priority given to GEPper than mainstream in IP schools (NOT IS). If score 260 (albeit top 3% scorer), you may not be able to get into some of the good schools like RGS, NYG and RI and HCI.
The below is pure speculation.
I think that some GEP students don't score as well as they are expected to in exams. Students in the GEP are usually more intelligent and may be more hardworking than average, but the only real inference is that they are the top 1% who passed the GEP test - not the top 1% in intelligence or academics.
Besides, GEP students also do not study the normal curriculum which is tested in the PSLE. The GEP is designed to encourage self-learning/self-discovery and covers wide areas outside the curriculum. In my time, it was only in primary 6 when we started to do the same revision as other students, and not everyone could cope. It is highly possible that if these students studied the same syllabus in the previous years, they could have fared better. The EESIS system for GEP could be a means to mitigate this discrepancy.
PSLE also tests more hard work than intelligence. GEP students need not necessarily be more hardworking and therefore some may score lower.
However, I think that GE branch thinks that these GEP students are still able to cope with higher ability material. Therefore, the EESIS could be a means of encouragement to continue in the GEP. -
Yesterday, while driving the DS2 and DS3 home, DH asked me why I was typing so much these few days… so I told him what’s happening in KSP and this thread. And DS2 overheard everything, and this is his take:
1. GEPpers are not the smartest, they are the most hardworking ones with tuition. In my P3 class, XXX, YYY and ZZZ are the smartest but they did not get into GEP. I thought they would, they were fast and learned the fastest in class. AAA, BBB, CCC and DDD got into GEP. They attended many classes after school and are so hardworking. So I don’t think they are the smartest but the most hardworking.
2. Strange that in the US, people will stand up when there is unequal rights, but not in Singapore. There are so many inequalities in the country but people don’t speak up, unless it hits them. People should speak up more, and inequality is always wrong.
I asked him if GEPpers should get those privileges they are getting. He said no. We should all fight the same things, and if we are good, no matter what curriculum we are given, we will excel.
He is 12, ex-GEPper, never did a single piece of homework in P3 (and I could not make him), went to the GEP test last minute when he found out his best friend (who also got into GEP) was sitting as well, and now in the university while dual enrolled in a primary school. Interesting views.
As you can see, DH is questioning, and those who are familiar will know what happens next. -
ruohoo97:
My mum was a businesswoman - very fierce one. She did not mother so much, leaving me to fend for myself. My mother-in-law is a SAHM, and I see a great contrast in them. My siblings and I became very independent, strong and tough. DH and siblings are loving, close and love their mom very much.ksi:
Personally, I feel that my mother was my best school for motherhood. This informal school is the best, consultation is free too...
Now maybe ksp.com is an alternative...kekeke
You are right! That is why I come here so often....that my kids peeping and saying \"you? kiasuing again? But I have really learnt a lOT! Thanks!
I want to have the best of both worlds. I agree mothers make the best role models for our daughters, and besides helping them realize their academic and career dreams, I want to help them become great wives and mothers one day. So yes, our mothers are our best schools, and we are our daughters' best schools! Let's remember that above all else. :celebrate: -
2ppaamm:
My mum was a businesswoman - very fierce one. She did not mother so much, leaving me to fend for myself. My mother-in-law is a SAHM, and I see a great contrast in them. My siblings and I became very independent, strong and tough. DH and siblings are loving, close and love their mom very much.ruohoo97:
[quote=\"ksi\"] Personally, I feel that my mother was my best school for motherhood. This informal school is the best, consultation is free too...
Now maybe ksp.com is an alternative...kekeke
You are right! That is why I come here so often....that my kids peeping and saying \"you? kiasuing again? But I have really learnt a lOT! Thanks!
I want to have the best of both worlds. I agree mothers make the best role models for our daughters, and besides helping them realize their academic and career dreams, I want to help them become great wives and mothers one day. So yes, our mothers are our best schools, and we are our daughters' best schools! Let's remember that above all else. :celebrate:[/quote]Cheers to motherhood! :celebrate: Behind every \"successful\"(our own contented version of success la) woman, there is also a woman called mother!!
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Melodies:
Anyone can throw more lights on this? My question is why deprive those pupils from getting EESIS who have t-score in the range of better than 255 (someone told it it abt 255) for average GEPpers to 26O? Also, why there are more priority given to GEPper than mainstream in IP schools (NOT IS). If score 260 (albeit top 3% scorer), you may not be able to get into some of the good schools like RGS, NYG and RI and HCI.
The below is pure speculation.
I think that some GEP students don't score as well as they are expected to in exams. Students in the GEP are usually more intelligent and may be more hardworking than average, but the only real inference is that they are the top 1% who passed the GEP test - not the top 1% in intelligence or academics.
Wonder why the system failed to select top 1% in intelligence or academics since their goals are to nurture to develop intellectual; depth and higher-level thinking? Isn't it easier to nurture this group of pupils. Select a mere hardworking and intelligent than average for what? Study showed that you spent enough time than average, any Tom, Dick and Harry can also do well. no? :scratchhead: Why don't nurture the top 1% in intelligence or academics? :?
Besides, GEP students also do not study the normal curriculum which is tested in the PSLE. The GEP is designed to encourage self-learning/self-discovery and covers wide areas outside the curriculum. In my time, it was only in primary 6 when we started to do the same revision as other students, and not everyone could cope. It is highly possible that if these students studied the same syllabus in the previous years, they could have fared better. The EESIS system for GEP could be a means to mitigate this discrepancy.
I thought everyone in GEP has claimed that their English is pitched at higher level than PSLE as high as Sec 2-3, why can't score better than mainstream when mainstream are at lower English level. For Maths/Sciences, you also pitched at higher level through self-learning/self-discovery and you studied more than mainstreams by covering wide areas outside the curriculum. You already have a lot of advantages than mainstreams because you have extensive materials as compared to a normal mainstream pupils who have no materials but just a texbook which are useless. Again, you have upper hand on the Maths subject, why can't score better in PSLE? :? For Chinese and HC, you have the same syllabus as Mainstreams, you should fared a good as mainstreams. I'm totally not convinced that you studied more higher ability material and pitched at higher level in GEP programs but you can't deliver your results for PSLE. All the more you should deliver result in PSLE. Also, how did you explain some GEPpers (10-20%) can score > 265? Honestly, I think if you are good, no matter what program you are in, you will continue to do well, otherwise, how to explain GEPpers can also score >265! This group of pupils can also get EESIS through their PSLE score, why need to mitigate this discrepancy (for studied more in GEP than mainstream) by giving EESIS out to GEPpers since you already enjoyed a system which allow you to study at a higher and wider levels. All the more mainstream should entitle this EESIS than GEPpers? no?
PSLE also tests more hard work than intelligence. GEP students need not necessarily be more hardworking and therefore some may score lower.
I'm confused again, I thought they selected more hard work than average mainstream for GEP program. Shouldn't GEPpers have more advantage than mainstream since PSLE also tests more hard work than intelligence? I knew that some schools stretched the GEP resources and spilled the GEP resources/materials to top 2 classes in mainstream and this group of high ability pupils got to enjoy the GEP materials/resoruces and they got to excel and deliver PSLE results too. Why they can deliver results but average GEPpers failed to? After 3 years in GEP program, if your potential is still not reached, I don't know if it is you don't have the potential or the system failed to optimize your potential?
However, I think that GE branch thinks that these GEP students are still able to cope with higher ability material. Therefore, the EESIS could be a means of encouragement to continue in the GEP.
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After reading the posts, I just realised the true GE kids are so sadly mistaken by people. GE kids are not typically known to be strong academic performers nor exam-smart but they have a good brain nevertheless. Their potential is not reached. In a school I know, the cohort’s top few students in P3 were not selected for GE (but continue to top in P4,P5) and when they go for inter school competition for Math or Science they would not win, some cannot even pass the selection test. However, the GE children would stand out in the competition but they may not emerge the top students in the cohort when they join the PSLE. This is not strange if one understands how GE kids work.
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ksi:
After reading the posts, I just realised the true GE kids are so sadly mistaken by people. GE kids are not typically known to be strong academic performers nor exam-smart but they have a good brain nevertheless. Their potential is not reached. In a school I know, the cohort's top few students in P3 were not selected for GE (but continue to top in P4,P5) and when they go for inter school competition for Math or Science they would not win, some cannot even pass the selection test. However, the GE children would stand out in the competition but they may not emerge the top students in the cohort when they join the PSLE. This is not strange if one understands how GE kids work.
:goodpost: Thanks ksi, I feel sad when I read all this negative things about kids in GE prog. Most of these negative things I do not see them in DS nor his friends from the same prog. :roll:
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