Is GEP really necessary?
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atutor2001:
Sorry what class of 20 is this? Intermingling class? Tuition class or secondary class?
So sorry I do not have statistic of all 500 kids. But just 2 latest cases for your inference :
A class of 20 with 3 GEPers. 7 students failed 2 subjects or more and all 3 GEPers are in them - ya this is a scary class.
A class of 20 with 5 GEPers - none of them were in the top 3 - ya this is one of the top classes.
Unfortunately don't have sample for an average class.
PS Good that you have great faith in our system. -
I don’t see how 1 standardized and controlled GEP program can suit all 500 GEPpers as well? There should be one GEPper who is very good in Area A but the other who is very good in area 2. It can’t be all are Leonardo da Vinci, right? No?
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Melodies:
Hi OSIM, plse try to see the point of NO one here has disputed the need to have the existing GEP program and some think that the program should extend to a wider population like top 25% of the cohort. Some has very good suggestions to modify the existing GEP program to suit those GEPpers who are still bored with the GEP program and are ready for a even higher level than the existing.... .
25% :yikes: , then this is not a specialized program anymore. Many in this 25% are just hardworking and very compliant kids, the GEP is not about nurturing high achievers but to cultivate thinkers.
Honestly, if GEPper ( I didn't say all but some) can't manage to perform in PSLE (which is at a lower level than GEP level) despite all the good resources and extensive materials which are pitched at the higher level.
There is something wrong with the IP program which ignored the foundation required to back you up at a higher level. Like building a house, you need to build a very strong and robust pillar to support your high. That's my analysis based on what I have observed and read so far.
Here we go again, GEP has nothing to do with producing star students in PSLE. In fact if you take science for example, the program curriculum incorporate more experiential learning, a bigger scope in the subject which at times is out of the PSLE context so how can it be to help geppers to perform well in PSLE. In fact they have so little time to do exam type questions even dd science teacher told me we have to chip in to help her do some assessment books just for the sake of exams. The exam hothousing only start after the June holidays for geppers. I want to say here that geppers suffer a lot when mainstream drill comes in. They are train to think rather to react so many problems they handle by analysis from ground up. These kids are very quick to spot ambiguities in questions, they think and infer too much for their own good in exam. Many times, it is not their problem but the problem with poor phrasing of the questions. My dd science teacher got bombarded so bad by the kids she had to ask them to stop questioning the question or they cannot answer the question
Now you see why some geppers don't do as well in the PSLE but it doesn't matter, PSLE is just an exam, the beauty is in the mental training the GEP program gives..
Up to now, I still can't understand why you need to do the drilling for your PSLE grammar/vocabs if you are already in Sec level of grammar/vocab for cloze passages. I'd think that you have not built up the necessary foundation for sec level grammar/vocabs. So, the program should allow this group of GEPers to build up their foundation. I knew that I am going to upset some parents here but I would like to highlight this so that parents are aware of this and can help their GEP ds/dd.
Thanks for your good intention. Just to clarify, in P4/P5, there is no drill or almost no grammar or vocab (this is so for my dd school). It was all about writing, expressing and reading technique. The social studies is the cornerstone of the program that develops their critical thinking skills using social issues, geography and history. In English and SS, philosophy is also incorporated sometimes depending on the teachers style. Grammar only start in P6, vocab is almost needless for geppers as they are mostly avid readers. -
Melodies:
I don't see how 1 standardized and controlled GEP program can suit all 500 GEPpers as well? There should be one GEPper who is very good in Area A but the other who is very good in area 2. It can't be all are Leonardo da Vinci, right? No?
Sorry again Melodies, I believe this has been addressed before by some GEP parents here but not picked up. As I have said before, this is re-iteration to nth degree and no understanding seems to have been established so far. -
Melodies:
got to take it with a barrel of salt, not a pinchYour figures do support the point of GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools recognize this. :yikes:
Below are just a very rough calculation:
Presumably, average Tscore for GEPpers is 255 and this is top 6% for the whole cohort. There are abt 50k in a cohort so there are abt 3K pupils who have 255 t-score and above. Say all GEPper are evenly distributed to all IS school together with the comparable mainstreamers who has scored 255 and above, hence each school will have= 500/3000 = 16.7% GEPper. The fact is we are seeing higher % of GEPper population than 16.7% in TOP IP schools. There are abt 300 GEPper scored 255tscore n this shd give about 10% of GEPpers population for each IS school if we assume all comparable (based on PSLE score) GEPpers are evenly distributed to all IS schools with their comparable mainstream peers.
The conclusion is GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools do recognize this and prefer GEPpers to mainstreamers.
Do take the above calculation with a pinch of salts since the data is from KSP forumers and have not been verified with MOE.
what is the number 3000 ? how many IP schools now ?
why is GEPpers in demand ? isn't it the students choose the schools and not the school choose the students ? school can make DSA offers but if the students reject the CO what does it say ? -
friendship:
Friendship, this is not new...this has been the success story and track record that people have been asking MOE to produce but MOE wise enough not to dwell on it as this is not their objective(alamak now I am broken recorder). You tell them one Pres Scholar, they ask how come not more since 500 kids..... or is it every year there will be GEPper Pres Scholar....... You see a repeat chain that goes into never ending. :rotflmao:why don't we look at the END product? meaning what are these 500 GEPers lead their lives?
I know the recent one of the recipient for President Scholarship is a GEPer. -
friendship:
Does it matter how they lead their lives?why don't we look at the END product? meaning what are these 500 GEPers lead their lives?
I know the recent one of the recipient for President Scholarship is a GEPer.
What's important is that they discover their calling, their interest and talents and are happy to contribute to society in their own special way.
Yes, we may say, the government invested in them but investment as it is may not always give you the returns you want. We must know, this kid's are not share you buy in the stock market. They are human, they have their aspirations which may not be those lofty ambition that many thought they ought to have.
Take for example, my dd get pass 90% in her exams. She is an all rounder but she wants to be a writer. She may not earn much if she does that unless she becomes next JK Rowling but it's her life...as long she is happy and living in coherence with what she think is good for her
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osim:
This is what people cannot understand and it has been explained...it seems that people are so caught up in being top that everything is only measured by TOP. If TOP-less, then no GEP calibre.
Does it matter how they lead their lives?friendship:
why don't we look at the END product? meaning what are these 500 GEPers lead their lives?
I know the recent one of the recipient for President Scholarship is a GEPer.
What's important is that they discover their calling, their interest and talents and are happy to contribute to society in their own special way.
Yes, we may say, the government invested in them but investment as it is may not always give you the returns you want. We must know, this kid's are not share you buy in the stock market. They are human, they have their aspirations which may not be those lofty ambition that many thought they ought to have.
Take for example, my dd get pass 90% in her exams. She is an all rounder but she wants to be a writer. She may not earn much if she does that unless she becomes next JK Rowling but it's her life...as long she is happy and living in coherence with what she think is good for her
btw, congrats osim, 90%+ is great all-rounder for GEP, even for mainstream is great. -
Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....
Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
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verykiasu2010:
got to take it with a barrel of salt, not a pinchMelodies:
Your figures do support the point of GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools recognize this. :yikes:
Below are just a very rough calculation:
Presumably, average Tscore for GEPpers is 255 and this is top 6% for the whole cohort. There are abt 50k in a cohort so there are abt 3K pupils who have 255 t-score and above. Say all GEPper are evenly distributed to all IS school together with the comparable mainstreamers who has scored 255 and above, hence each school will have= 500/3000 = 16.7% GEPper. The fact is we are seeing higher % of GEPper population than 16.7% in TOP IP schools. There are abt 300 GEPper scored 255tscore n this shd give about 10% of GEPpers population for each IS school if we assume all comparable (based on PSLE score) GEPpers are evenly distributed to all IS schools with their comparable mainstream peers.
The conclusion is GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools do recognize this and prefer GEPpers to mainstreamers.
Do take the above calculation with a pinch of salts since the data is from KSP forumers and have not been verified with MOE.
hahaha..
what is the number 3000 ? Alamak! 6% of 50K cohort scored 255 lor, then 3000 lor
how many IP schools now ?
I thought there are 13 schools now
why is GEPpers in demand ? Some GEPper parents said that l.. isn't it the students choose the schools and not the school choose the students ? school can make DSA offers but if the students reject the CO what does it say ?
Students choose schools if you are bright student with stellar results! Schools also choose you wa. Aiya, they are mutually willing parties la Just like match-mate la
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