Population woes

[vlim]

3Boys:

The value of a robust debate becomes clear. Through the interchange it's becomes obvious where the starting positions of protagonists in this debate is. It may be the case that one had already decided to vote for the opposition, and constructs an implacable, if flawed argument to support that decision. In which case, further discussion would be futile. But it is important to have reached that point of understanding.

Most agree ...
Unlike last time when we start from 'zero', choosing any party is fine but lucky our people have chosen the right one. But now if we choose the wrong one, we will be back to 'zero' or even worst .. I wouldn't want to risk tt ..

[mum_sugoku]

My apologies for steering the thread off topic… It was meant to be on population issue…

[mamago]

mum_sugoku:

3Boys:

[quote=\"mum_sugoku\"]

And the solution is? Keep growing the population until we cannot grow any further? And you accept such solution?

It is only PART of the solution, for the reasons I have stated ad nauseum in this thread, for which I have tried to at least educate myself on the issues that we as a small country face economically and strategically. So I don't go off on an ignorant rant about population growth until I understand to a degree about what underpins it. And in my view a larger population base is necessary to give us some additional scale, to help our local industries.

Is there a consequence of this, of course! Just like there is a consequence to not playing Nintendo, which is, no fun for that afternoon. BUT, there is a broader reason why we accept some pain.

So yes, I accept population growth for now up to a point where it becomes a challenge for infrastructure, because I understand why it needs to be done, that it is ONLY one part of a broader strategy, and I understand the pain and consequences, and what things are being done to mitigate. Of course the government knows the pain, we tell them about it every single day through various channels. Why don't they just do the popular thing and completely shut off the flow? Because it will kill our economy and our government don't do things just because they are popular. That's a great mark of leadership, don't you think?

No. A true great leader should foresee the problem, and tackle the problem before it ultimately \"becomes a challenge\". Not merely taking the easiest way out of the problem (by importing more people)--all the way until it becomes a challenge for infrastructure..[/quote]

Yap! The gov has foreseen all the problem, even beyond 2030, thus the unpopular immigration policies.... Is some voters that don't see, their very concerns are today, me, my own family, my house, my money! Get it done, high paying guys up there!

Voters that thinks that the gov should address to his and his only concerns, nation? What nation? Me first! Gov, stop running the country, but only just run my life, gimme, do it, now; before the next election! Wahaha *wink*

[Funz]

mum_sugoku:

Funz:

But when the doctor give you a solution you will have to follow it to be able to get better right? If you don't follow the instructions and take the medications, no matter how many doctors you go through, you will not recover.

So far, which opposition member has come up and given a good enough solution to address some of the issues that we are facing and may be facing in the future. Yes there are many who also harp about the population growth and all the unhappiness it brings. But have any of them truly addressed how we can stay competitive, how to ensure we can stay afloat amidst the rising competition from the countries around us?

The oppositions have to be given a chance in the first place. As long as they are not in power, they will always lack the resources they need to work out a solution.

I am not asking them to implement anything. I am saying they have not even addressed any of the key issues aside from criticising the existing policies. Yes increasing population is uncomfortable, we all know the government is proposing that, and we all know it may mean more squeeze. And some of us know why the current govt is proposing that. But what then do the opposition propose? Do you need resources to propose? They talk about dipping into our surplus, that is an even easier and faster solution. But have they addressed how are we to maintain our surplus or ensure that it does not go into deficit?

[mum_sugoku]

Funz:

mum_sugoku:

[quote=\"Funz\"]

But when the doctor give you a solution you will have to follow it to be able to get better right? If you don't follow the instructions and take the medications, no matter how many doctors you go through, you will not recover.

So far, which opposition member has come up and given a good enough solution to address some of the issues that we are facing and may be facing in the future. Yes there are many who also harp about the population growth and all the unhappiness it brings. But have any of them truly addressed how we can stay competitive, how to ensure we can stay afloat amidst the rising competition from the countries around us?

The oppositions have to be given a chance in the first place. As long as they are not in power, they will always lack the resources they need to work out a solution.

I am not asking them to implement anything. I am saying they have not even addressed any of the key issues aside from criticising the existing policies. Yes increasing population is uncomfortable, we all know the government is proposing that, and we all know it may mean more squeeze. And some of us know why the current govt is proposing that. But what then do the opposition propose? Do you need resources to propose? They talk about dipping into our surplus, that is an even easier and faster solution. But have they addressed how are we to maintain our surplus or ensure that it does not go into deficit?[/quote]On the population issue. The problem is not just we becoming more squeeze, the problem is, there's a limit to our capacity. We just cannot keep relying on that to solve the problem.. In fact that's not a solution but just a reaction.

[WeiHan]

Let me throw in a new hypothesis:


We need to rely on population growth and immigration to sustain economic growth because we, as a whole, is uncreative. The more uncreative we are, we more we need to rely on such unsustainable solution for growth.

Empirical observation to support the above hypothesis: Countries such as Finland, Sweden and Switzerland do not need such extreme measures because they are creative and have a creative economy that alleviate the needs for such measures that Asian countries are resorting to. Singapore and ShangHai are typical kiasu, uncreative asian countries and therefore they need to rely more heavily on foreign investments. This heavy dependence on foreign investments results in a heavy needs to attract creative individuals which they themselves do not produce enough of- thus the wanton immigration policy.

[3Boys]

mum_sugoku:

On the population issue. The problem is not just we becoming more squeeze, the problem is, there's a limit to our capacity. We just cannot keep relying on that to solve the problem.. In fact that's not a solution but just a reaction.

And if the opposition comes to power and shrinks the population and crashes our economy, how you vote?

How? How? How?

[3Boys]

WeiHan:

Let me throw in a new hypothesis:


We need to rely on population growth and immigration to sustain economic growth because we, as a whole, is uncreative. The more uncreative we are, we more we need to rely on such unsustainable solution for growth.

Empirical observation to support the above hypothesis: Countries such as Finland, Sweden and Switzerland do not need such extreme measures because they are creative and have a creative economy that alleviate the needs for such measures that Asian countries are resorting to. Singapore and ShangHai are typical kiasu, uncreative asian countries and therefore they need to rely more heavily on foreign investments. This heavy dependence on foreign investments results in a heavy needs to attract creative individuals which they themselves do not produce enough of- thus the wanton immigration policy.

That presuppose they are more creative than us, which I completely disagree with.

[WeiHan]

3Boys:

WeiHan:

Let me throw in a new hypothesis:


We need to rely on population growth and immigration to sustain economic growth because we, as a whole, is uncreative. The more uncreative we are, we more we need to rely on such unsustainable solution for growth.

Empirical observation to support the above hypothesis: Countries such as Finland, Sweden and Switzerland do not need such extreme measures because they are creative and have a creative economy that alleviate the needs for such measures that Asian countries are resorting to. Singapore and ShangHai are typical kiasu, uncreative asian countries and therefore they need to rely more heavily on foreign investments. This heavy dependence on foreign investments results in a heavy needs to attract creative individuals which they themselves do not produce enough of- thus the wanton immigration policy.

That presuppose they are more creative than us, which I completely disagree with.

Most original technologies comes from them intsead of Asians. China is the worst with respect to copyrights.

[Lilac66]

3Boys:

How? How? How?

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Didn't expect 3Boys to also try this ..