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[Couragemom]

Hi Snow24,


ABA class might be able to help your son learn appropriate class room behaviour. Or you might be keen on 1-to-1 Sped lessons which helps as well. Reinforce at home with social stories (as recommended by Double E and slmkhoo).

[Snow24]

Dear all

My son is 4.5 years old.I reminded him to stay in the classroom before he goes for the lesson. However,he still leave the classroom many times without permission and the teacher has to bring him.back to the classroom which irritate the teacher.

1 to 1 Sped lesson or ABA class would it helps him to learn how to behave and not leave class in a group setting ?

Any recommendation on 1 to 1 Sped lesson and ABA class ? What will he learn in the 1 to 1 Sped lesson and ABA class?

[Gifts from Heaven]

Snow24:

Dear all

My son is 4.5 years old.I reminded him to stay in the classroom before he goes for the lesson. However,he still leave the classroom many times without permission and the teacher has to bring him.back to the classroom which irritate the teacher.

1 to 1 Sped lesson or ABA class would it helps him to learn how to behave and not leave class in a group setting ?

Any recommendation on 1 to 1 Sped lesson and ABA class ? What will he learn in the 1 to 1 Sped lesson and ABA class?

Hi snow24,
Did u ask your boy why he still leave the classroom after you told him to stay inside? Have u observed any pattern in your boy's behaviour of leaving the classroom without permission, like what was happening before he leave the room n what happened after he left the room? Was he attracted to something outside? Is there something in the classroom that irritates him so he needs to avoid it by getting out? The classroom has no doors? If have, can the teacher close/lock the door? Then wat will your boy do? Is it ok with the teacher for him to leave the classroom if he ask for permission?
Your boy probably have some compliance issues which needs to be tackled. You will need to find out as much info as possible from the teachers and/or through your observation and convey them to the therapists of the Sped or ABA class so that they can work out a specific solution for your boy and then 'train' him.

[Snow24]

Hi Gifts From Heaven

Thanks.I will check with the teacher. The classroom has door and is closed.I don’t think is ok with the teacher that he left the classroom a few times during lesson as she need to bring him back to her class.The class has 15 children she might not be able to cope with him.I asked my son why he left the classroom.He only said the teacher is naughty unable to find out much details from him.Sigh.I don’t know what I should do to be able to help him with his compliance issues.Sooner or later I think he would be asked to withdraw from this class.

[Liyuan]

Snow24:

Dear all

My son is 4.5 years old.I reminded him to stay in the classroom before he goes for the lesson. However,he still leave the classroom many times without permission and the teacher has to bring him.back to the classroom which irritate the teacher.

1 to 1 Sped lesson or ABA class would it helps him to learn how to behave and not leave class in a group setting ?

Any recommendation on 1 to 1 Sped lesson and ABA class ? What will he learn in the 1 to 1 Sped lesson and ABA class?

For higher functioning children with desire to please, you can try using CBT. Before you implement any strategy, do try to find out the reason why is he leaving the class room. Boredom? not aware of class room rules? trying to get a reaction from the teacher? (some children like to see the annoyed face) wanting to predict the action of the teacher? etc.

Below are some of the methods i will use, but again, it depends on the reason why is he doing it.

Social story
Lots of example of social story. A few rule of thumb when writing a social story
- Simple
- Use \"I\" or name of child
- Be positive
- Keep it short
- Work on one behavior that you like to change at a time

Not too long ago, a study have shown that social story does not work unless there is a role play that is done together with it. So do role play with your child.

Cool/Silly dude
It is simple to do. Just have a piece of paper, write down a heading on the top centre (eg. In the classroom). Divide up the piece of paper into half and on the left, write down \"cool dude\" (with a smiley if the child does not understand the word \"cool\") and \"silly dude\" on the right (draw a unhappy face if needed). Get the child to come up with some of the good and bad behaviors in the classroom. Use this as a visual reminder for the child. We always try to use visual prompt as compared to verbal prompts as visual prompts are easier to fade.

Reward/token system
Can use it together with Cool/Silly dude. You probably need the help of the teacher to help you reward your child with the tokens each time he does not move out of the classroom. Use the piece of paper you done earlier for cool/silly dude as the target behaviors. Token system will only work if the desire to have the reward after getting all the token is more than that of the desire to go out of the classroom. Do also choose a reward that you can give to the child immediately. This part is tricky as your child is still in class and there may be lots of things that are inappropriate to be given in the classroom. You will really need the help of the teachers for this.

Incident Report
If the teacher were to punish him, do a incident report on it. Basically is asking about the different WH questions. From this, you may get to find out why is he going out of the classroom all the time. Then ask about how he feel and if he think it is right. If he think that it is not right, then the next question is what should be do instead the next time. Write all these down on a piece of paper and paste in somewhere that he can see it all the time.

These are some methods. Hope it will help you with the behavior

Liyuan
http://www.autismstep.com

[sharonkhoo]

Snow24:

Hi Gifts From Heaven

Thanks.I will check with the teacher. The classroom has door and is closed.I don't think is ok with the teacher that he left the classroom a few times during lesson as she need to bring him back to her class.The class has 15 children she might not be able to cope with him.I asked my son why he left the classroom.He only said the teacher is naughty unable to find out much details from him.Sigh.I don't know what I should do to be able to help him with his compliance issues.Sooner or later I think he would be asked to withdraw from this class.

I think it's very disruptive for a teacher to have to chase after 1 student several times in a lesson when she has so many others. I think you should try to follow up what \"naughty\" means to your son. If you can't get it from him, try asking the teacher what seems to trigger his leaving the room? Explain to her that you are trying to identify and deal with the cause, not blame anyone. Then you can try to correct his understanding of the situation through a social story.

[Gifts from Heaven]

Hi snow24,


Maybe you can think what naughty means in your daily interactions with him...like at home when he does something not allowed, you would say he is naughty. So maybe he saw the teacher doing something that you don't allow, so he said teacher is naughty. Or if you can't think of anything, is it possible for you to do some kind of class observation, inside or outside the classroom? I know schools/teachers don't like, but sometimes we mummies have no choice...so got to be thick-skinned. Position it to schools/teachers that it is to help them as well. Think win-win :). Getting a professional to do the observation may help, if schools/teachers are not comfortable with parents observing, but that will incur some monetary cost. Will not be cheap cos usually they charge by the hour and may also include their transport cost (by taxi/car) to school :(.

Do also consider the suggestions raised by Liyuan and slmkhoo. Important point is to find out the reason(s) why he leave the classroom. If you can get some ideas about why he is leaving the classroom, then you can devise some strategies/lessons to change his behaviour. Otherwise, you will probably find the any Sped classes you send your boy to may not be able to address the problem.

[Kate1]

Many people have said some good things here. If your son says the teacher was "naughty", that could mean one of several things. Maybe the teacher did something you don’t allow at home but is common practice in the classroom. It’s also possible the teacher just did something he doesn’t like. A lot of children will describe actions as "naughty", "rude", or "bad" because they lack the vocabulary and/or understanding to realise that a better phrase would be "undesirable to me". I’ve known children who, when I ask them to pack up their belongings at the end of class, call me "naughty". A friend’s son used to call her "rude" when she (nicely) asked him to eat carrots, which he disliked. Children don’t always use the correct word for things.


If you can, find out from your son a little more about what the teacher did. Did the teacher say something naughty? Or do something naughty? etc. and try to narrow down the options. But whatever the case is, you then still should follow up with explaining to your son how he should respond (NOT by leaving the classroom!)

Role-playing with him would be best, as this will help him practise for the next time the situation occurs, and he’ll be much more likely to remember what to do. Let’s say the teacher said something sternly, or didn’t sit down when you would have to at home, or whatever the "naughtiness" actually is. You can take it in turns with your son being the teacher and being him, and showing him that he should sit quietly (or whatever is appropriate) when this happens.

It might also help to role-play what he should do when he wants to leave the classroom for any other reason (say, to use the toilet). Things like raising his hand and waiting until the teacher calls on him will be good.

And, of course, speak with the teacher when you get a chance to find out what sorts of things are causing him to wander out of the classroom, since your son is obviously not the best source of information in this case. The teacher will also appreciate you helping solve this issue from home, I’m sure.

[Couragemom]

Hi Snow24,


Based on my observation of my two children, 1 neuro-typical (NT) and the younger one with special needs, I realized that a special needs child with poor self-awareness and situational awareness doesn’t pick up social cues in his class room instinctively like a NT child. So how do such a child learn social cues or classroom appropriate behaviour then? Via sped class or ABA therapy. The teacher break down the seemingly easy tasks like waiting/sitting/queuing etc into bite-size steps to teach the child. Does it sound so sad and depressing? It was to me at 1 stage of time but I have since moved on with this emotion.

There is Sped class at Leapfrogs. I think you can ask fluttershy or other mommies for ABA contact.

[Snow24]

Hi all


Thanks for all the sharing. I will try to find out more from the teacher and my son on the reason why he tend to leave the classroom though it won’t be easy to find out from my son as he is not very good at expressing out in words.

Like what Kate 1 said my son might be asked by the teacher to do things that he doesn’t like hence he said the teacher is naughty.

Not very sure for his case, should he enrol for ABA therapy or learning intervention group classes by private operator.

Not sure from learning intervention group classes can he learn how to pick up social cues for classroom rules from other children and to apply it in his child care centre.

Anyone had ABA contact can share here or pm me.