Homosexuality
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WeiHan:
But James Dobson hmself is a controversial right wing chirstian figure. Most of his political idea and views regarding homosxuality is based on his religious conviction and nothing based on objective evidences. His views are not supported by the mainstream mental health community, including the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson
An individual’s stand on homosexuality is not only based on his or her religious belief. Yes, Christians are known to be more vocal in their stance in this aspect but it does not mean they are alone in their views. On the contrary, majority of our population do not support homosexuality because it is not “normal” and is against nature and it is not solely because their religion tell them so. . So please…let’s not bring in religion into this debate.
My big family, relatives, in laws and close friends are a real rojak lot – consisting of Buddhists/Taoists/Catholics/Christians/FreeThinkers/Muslim etc and guess what.. they all have similar stand as many others here including me – that we do not agree to homosexuality as a chosen lifestyle and as parents, we choose to guide our family to the right direction and to a path that is normal. We will also teach them to respect a person (including a homosexual) as an individual just like respecting a person with different religion.
I personally have friends and colleagues who are homosexuals and do I discriminate them? Of course not – in fact some of them are very nice to be around with & I enjoyed having their company. But if they start promoting their lifestyle to my family and kids, that is where I feel the line is crossed. -
hquek:
Like what I have said, both APAs (psychiatric and psychology) consist of members who are professional psychiatrists or psychologists, not everybody can join the society. One need to get a professional degree from a recognised university in order to qualify. They both have huge membership numbered 38 000 and 152 000 respectively. Therefore, it is quite wierd and simplistic an idea to think that all psychiatrists and psychologists are gay just because they standby their professional view.
By inclination, I mean, are they gay or not? Ask a gay man - anyone. Can you tell me a gay person who does not support gay views?.
I can tell you many gay men that do not support gay views. An easy examples are those in ex-gay ministries. Some of them are even homophobic in their views.hquek:
I view right wing christianity as harmful and unhealthy. I not only know J Dobson, I know Jerry Fawell, Pat Robertson, Moses Tay etc...I see that you hold very strong views on this matter. You only know J.Dobson and brand him as \"controversial right wing chirstian figure. Most of his political idea and views regarding homosxuality is based on his religious conviction and nothing based on objective evidences\". I personally have read his books and agree with his teachings as something based on the Bible, and even commonsense.
hquek:
You have not read what I have written. People have found that homosexuals have brain structure that is different. These are evidences that point to biological basis for sexual orientation. BTW, why can't subjective matters have an objective biological basis. And for evidence that corrective therapy works, then show genuine case but none after many decades.Pray, may I ask, what do you mean by objective evidences on something as subjective as one's preferences?? Ask 100,000 men their preference and confirm that whatever their leanings are is in conformance to nature??
hquek:
You can't use conspiracy theory to refute. I tend to believe the asociations because me as a professional of my specific field has an association that I belong to and I understand how these organisation works. Every fields in science, medicine, sociology etc... has an association with members from all over the world and it represents state-of-the art knowledge of the field. It is not possible for you to find better knowledge in that particular field outside these bodies because almost all (most) specialists of that field would have been members and they organised conferences.You hold these associations in such esteem, but what I want to say is, who knows what goes on behind the scenes. Who is funding these? Who are the main players in these associations? If these are not clear, I do NOT believe what they say is the truth.
As for funding, every psychologists or psychiatrists will have their own funding. Talking about funding, wouldn't the right wing christian organisations have more money and can buy all the psychiatrists and psychologists to change their view? It is conscience, not money.
Who are the main players? You can easily find in their website. It is not like an obscure organisation that people like Dobson tried to portray it.
The way how peer reviewed academic publications work is that you outlined your study and then the methodology. Once the methodology is set, you have to be consistent. Then comes the evidences to support your hypothesis. This study or paper will be send to independents reviewers familiar with the field for reviewing process. Depending on which journal you are publicating your studies, there may be 3 or 4 reviewers. They have the right to reject the papers if they find inconsistencies or so-called loopholes in the studies. Usually, it doesn't matter if the studies is conclusive, as long as the methodology is consistent in your studies and there is an OBJECTIVE presentation in your results and it is original, it can be considered for publication. After publication, anybody can read the paper and challenge the result by repeating the studies using the SAME methodology. If it yields differing results, the results can then be published also to challenge the original result. Or maybe, someone have a new idea and they decide to investigate the topic with differing methodologies. As times goes by, our knowledge starts to accumulate and the body of knowledge and evidences started to grow because there will bound to be people who challenge published results. The credibility of the result increases as time goes by. -
WeiHan:
I think this is getting off-tangent in argument.
You can google evolutionary function of homosexuality and you find tonnes of hypothesis. The point is that nature or anti-nature may not necessarily be defined by reproduction or non-reproduction. It is just a narrow defination that if you are able to look from a broader view, you see new pictures. Maybe homosexuality is a natural biological way to counter over population? Maybe homosexuals are not meant to be held down by responsibility to raise off spring but their effort are meant for other purposes (for example, creativity to push boundaries of civilization, I find alot of famous creative figures gay). I help you with a few examples.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100204144551.htm
http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/korthof65.htm
Countering overpopulation? :rotflmao: it's lame unfortunately.
Creativity can be found everywhere in people be they autistic, dyslexic, asperger, ADHD, handicap, normal, even dysfunctional and certainly in gays. -
ks2me:
What can I say...I think this is getting off-tangent in argument.
Countering overpopulation? :rotflmao: it's lame unfortunately.
Creativity can be found everywhere in people be they autistic, dyslexic, asperger, ADHD, handicap, normal, even dysfunctional and certainly in gays.
:goodpost:
Countering overpopulation? Nature has its ways... natural disasters, bird flu, H1N1... But homosexuality... :scratchhead: -
ks2me:
Why not? Anyway, I have qualify the seemingly absurd hypothesis with \"maybe\". Ground shaking breakthrough always start with seemingly absurd hypothesis.I think this is getting off-tangent in argument.
Countering overpopulation? :rotflmao: it's lame unfortunately.
Creativity can be found everywhere in people be they autistic, dyslexic, asperger, ADHD, handicap, normal, even dysfunctional and certainly in gays. -
WeiHan,
It does seem that you have such high tendency and strong interest into deep research and finding out on this hot topic - homosexuality.
My ex-boss does have a checklist (from his own books) on why his certain behaviour and characteristics make him qualify as a gay. So, that kinda makes me feel that you people seem to have certain similarities.
You don't have to answer me if you're not comfortable. But since you're so open to the idea of homosexuality and that it's just part of a natural process. Do you belong to a certain community that supports homosexuality? Or are you in fact gay?
No offence, really! Just being OPEN ... (since 4-5 out of 100 people that I speak might be gay)
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WeiHan:
Thank you for the good laugh of the hypothesis. Sorry no offence meant.
Why not? Anyway, I have qualify the seemingly absurd hypothesis with \"maybe\". Ground shaking breakthrough always start with seemingly absurd hypothesis.
Winth is right to observe nature has its way of taking care of overpopulation. Assuming that the explosion of population is alarming, celibacy, homosexuality and abstinance is not going to help this problem in the near term. Then next you may hypothesize doing it with non-human.....and that's how AIDS came about....:faint: Have we not learnt something so painful as AIDS? -
winth:
Winth! You spoke my mind... :celebrate:WeiHan,
It does seem that you have such high tendency and strong interest into deep research and finding out on this hot topic - homosexuality.
My ex-boss does have a checklist (from his own books) on why his certain behaviour and characteristics make him qualify as a gay. So, that kinda makes me feel that you people seem to have certain similarities.
You don't have to answer me if you're not comfortable. But since you're so open to the idea of homosexuality and that it's just part of a natural process. Do you belong to a certain community that supports homosexuality? Or are you in fact gay?
No offence, really! Just being OPEN ... (since 4-5 out of 100 people that I speak might be gay) -
winth:
Sorry. But why do you assume that by the fact that I understand the topic in greater depth, I must belong to a gay supportive organisation or I am gay? This is too big an assumption. And does it has anything to do with the information I provide? And by my forum nickname, you assume that I am indeed male?WeiHan,
It does seem that you have such high tendency and strong interest into deep research and finding out on this hot topic - homosexuality.
My ex-boss does have a checklist (from his own books) on why his certain behaviour and characteristics make him qualify as a gay. So, that kinda makes me feel that you people seem to have certain similarities.
You don't have to answer me if you're not comfortable. But since you're so open to the idea of homosexuality and that it's just part of a natural process. Do you belong to a certain community that supports homosexuality? Or are you in fact gay?
No offence, really! Just being OPEN ... (since 4-5 out of 100 people that I speak might be gay)
Your ex-boss is really quite funny to me.
If you insist, I can tell you who I am related with that allows me an apportunity to know a little more in this topic. In fact, I have read many of these materials some years back. But are these important? :?
Since some of you have been talking about AWARE and about having a say what to tell your children. Indeed AWARE does not involve in the MOE sex education anymore. FOTF was chosen instead. The below link is the revised guides for parents.
http://fcd.ecitizen.gov.sg/NR/rdonlyres/0D198EB2-1352-4A98-A790-C46252E9A505/0/parent_bookletfinal.pdf
Homosexuality is still consider NORMAL and has a biological basis! -
WeiHan:
So who are you related with? :?Sorry. But why do you assume that by the fact that I understand the topic in greater depth, I must belong to a gay supportive organisation or I am gay? This is too big an assumption. And does it has anything to do with the information I provide? And by my forum nickname, you assume that I am indeed male?
Your ex-boss is really quite funny to me.
If you insist, I can tell you who I am related with that allows me an apportunity to know a little more in this topic. In fact, I have read many of these materials some years back. But are these important? :?
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