PSLE COP 2009

[VitoRelax]

mathsparks:

just wondering, since scgs and rv have the same cutoff 251, wat's the reason for the girls in scgs not moving to ip program in rv? other than distance? girls' school? prestige? :?


ermm, i dont mean rv is less prestigious. just that diff folks view prestige differently.

I think garmen (or was it MOE) has stopped more schools from offering IP programs. Rationale is that they want IP programs to be offered only to the top 10% of the cohort.

If MOE dont freeze it, then by the time this year P1 students (only 39,000 against 48,500 for 2009 PSLE) reach PSLE, everyone will be doing IP program.

[corneyAmber]

Sorry, accidentally edited my original post when I cut and paste for another reply.

[phankao]

mathsparks:

just wondering, since scgs and rv have the same cutoff 251, wat's the reason for the girls in scgs not moving to ip program in rv? other than distance? girls' school? prestige? :?


ermm, i dont mean rv is less prestigious. just that diff folks view prestige differently.

You think the school want \"IP\" then MOE will give, ah? haha! Unless SCGS becomes \"independent\" like ACS(I), or stops accepting affiliated students, I doubt MOE will approve IP status. This is what happened with other top schools like Catholic High & CHIJ st nicholas when they applied for IP some years ago.

Now SJI is trying to apply for \"IP\", but at least they are \"independent\", so can run 2-track O-level & IP programme like ACS(i), so maybe MOE will approve. Independent can run your own programmes, mah.

[verykiasu2010]

phankao:

You think the school want \"IP\" then MOE will give, ah? haha! Unless SCGS becomes \"independent\" like ACS(I), or stops accepting affiliated students, I doubt MOE will approve IP status. This is what happened with other top schools like Catholic High & CHIJ st nicholas when they applied for IP some years ago.


Now SJI is trying to apply for \"IP\", but at least they are \"independent\", so can run 2-track O-level & IP programme like ACS(i), so maybe MOE will approve. Independent can run your own programmes, mah.

Just to add : As for NYGH, for those to be considered for entry based on \"affiliated\" status, their minimum score must be 250. And it is also the MOE cut-off for the top 10% ranking......so, it seems, they allow IP schools to accept affiliated students provided there is a minimum cut-off around the top 10% ranking. As for SCGS case, the alumni is strong - so they do influence on the cut-off and acceptance of affiliated students. They have always been a combined school for the Pri and Sec...so it is very difficult to persuade the management board to change.....got to go back to the founding principles / objectives of the school (my guess) - providing complete education all the way to Sec. As for NYGH, the primary section was part and parcel of the NY Girls School since its founding....and anyway since NYPS' % of students scoring the top 10% is around 40+% each cohort, there is no issue of disparity in T-score standing of NYGH students between NYPS graduates and others

[cmomc]

mathsparks:

just wondering, since scgs and rv have the same cutoff 251

Just wonder how many non affliation classes for SCGS ? 3 to 4 ? Let's say 5 = 200 students. RV intake is 400 students. If SCGS also take in 400 like RV, wouldn't the COP be much lower ? How can they be considered the same ??? :?

[mathsparks]

hi cmomc,

there’s a different cop for affiliation. i was referring to cop for non-affiliation found on page1.

[cmomc]

mathsparks:

hi cmomc,

there's a different cop for affiliation. i was referring to cop for non-affiliation found on page1.

What I mean is it is not comparing apple to apple as the number of intake is different.

[mathsparks]

phankao:

You think the school want \"IP\" then MOE will give, ah? haha! Unless SCGS becomes \"independent\" like ACS(I), or stops accepting affiliated students, I doubt MOE will approve IP status. This is what happened with other top schools like Catholic High & CHIJ st nicholas when they applied for IP some years ago.


Now SJI is trying to apply for \"IP\", but at least they are \"independent\", so can run 2-track O-level & IP programme like ACS(i), so maybe MOE will approve. Independent can run your own programmes, mah.

hi phankao,
I think you misunderstand my qn. I'm saying why girls would choose to go to scgs when they could go to rv for ip program.

[mathsparks]

cmomc:

What I mean is it is not comparing apple to apple as the number of intake is different.

:? le kong simi?

[corneyAmber]

yeah mathsparks, you don’t know how strong the SCGS culture can be…it can overrule the IP. Besides most SCGS kids have backup plans if they cannot get into JCs, they are generally the affluent lot.


No offence to anyone but there is a funny saying going around…
RGS girls end up being "career women"
SCGS girls end up being "tai tai"s.

To some extent the SCGS girls are like the ancient ladies, will be given a holistic curriculum to learn and become a well-desired "fair lady" whereas the charging RGS girls will always want to be Mu-Lan.

Now back to cmomc point where not comparing apples to apples…
I think she means the standard of RV and SCGS is different even if they have common COP of 251. RV admits all COP 251 kids whereas SCGS has a mixed of COP 251 and affiliation of COP 200 kids. So in that sense, it is hard to compare the standard of the 2 schools and put them side by side for IP consideration. But phankao is right, if SCGS can do it like ACSI where it has both ‘O’ level track and ‘IP’ track(since the COP variance is so huge), then it is possible to consider the ‘IP’ possibility.