Rivervale Primary
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concern2:
Hi, Concern2. I think you are very good in building relationships with teachers & please advise us how to approach the teachers for the following scenarios:
Unless there is really bad case, I don't see that there is nothing that cannot settled with the teacher directly from the start.
I have a feeling those parents who do have direct access to teachers will have less of parent-teacher-child issues. Correct me if I am wrong.
1. The MT teacher pronounces every 'shi, chi & zhi' as 'si, ci & zi', respectively. He keeps teaching the wrong strokes too, eg should be '撇' instead of '横' over the months. Also, you need him to correct compo in more detail. How do you approach him?
2. Your child is in P5 now. The teacher hinted :\" Pupils, you are big boys & girls now. Don't act like babies & tell your mothers to call me. Come to me direct for all your problems\". Will you still approach her teacher though your child reminds you not to but is shy to ask in class?
3. The teacher slammed the pile of marked Sci exam papers on his desk & scolded the class for doing badly & not paying attention in class. You feel that it is partially his fault as he has not taught them the proper way to answer. Will you call him & how?
4. A teacher suddenly becomes violent in class. Would you call him and enquire?
5. An EL teacher asks his class to exchange their compos for marking, i,e as many as 6 pupils can assess & give comments on 1 compo. Although they are from the same class, they have different calibers. After the exchange, the pupils will correct their compos based on their peers' comments & submit to the teacher the next day. He doesn't correct the compos unless there are serious errors. He has been adopting this approach for many years & you disagree. How do you tell him in order for him to change his style?
These are some problems the upper primary pupils are facing from different teachers over these years, esp the top classes. Some of these problems are still very much 'alive'. -
MdmGiveup:
I am back, lol. I think you are very good in building relationships with teachers & please advise us how to approach the teachers for the following scenarios:concern2:
[quote=\"MMETwo\"]
Unless there is really bad case, I don't see that there is nothing that cannot settled with the teacher directly from the start.
I have a feeling those parents who do have direct access to teachers will have less of parent-teacher-child issues. Correct me if I am wrong.
1. The MT teacher pronounces every 'shi, chi & zhi' as 'si, ci & zi', respectively. He keeps teaching the wrong strokes too, eg should be '撇' instead of '横' over the months. Also, you need him to correct compo in more detail. How do you approach him?
2. Your child is in P5 now. The teacher hinted :\" Pupils, you are big boys & girls now. Don't act like babies & tell your mothers to call me. Come to me direct for all your problems\". Will you still approach her teacher though your child reminds you not to but is shy to ask in class?
3. The teacher slammed the pile of marked Sci exam papers on his desk & scolded the class for doing badly & not paying attention in class. You feel that it is partially his fault as he has not taught them the proper way to answer. Will you call him & how?
4. A HMT teacher who has very high expectations of her pupils likes to scold most of them “猪脑袋\" & you gently reminded her. A month later, she comes up with another abusive word for her pupils & it repeats over the year. So how should we approach her?
5. A teacher suddenly becomes violent in class. Would you call him and enquire?
These are some problems the upper primary pupils are facing, especially the top classes.
Thank you.[/quote]Wa, don't say that leh, I am also learning as I go along. Some more my kids are still young. Actually, I have experienced some stuff which the teacher said which I found unacceptable. Made call to talk to teacher, but before that, I found out that the fault did come from DS first. What I found unacceptable was what the teacher said, and I allowed myself to sleep over it for a night or two, before calling the teacher.
The conversation ended on a good note, and did not hear DS complain about her any more. Of course, it had made me sit up and pay closer attention and spend more bonding time with kids. I know when is the best time they will 'pour all out' to me, so it doesn't really bother me what the teacher tell them to do or not to do. The only thing I need to keep check of myself is not to over-react and to listen more to the kids and by asking them back questions like,
\"So, what do you think?\"
As for the situations you mentioned, it is certainly not what I have experienced, but I try.
1. The MT teacher pronounces every 'shi, chi & zhi' as 'si, ci & zi', respectively. He keeps teaching the wrong strokes too, eg should be '撇' instead of '横' over the months. Also, you need him to correct compo in more detail. How do you approach him?
My reply: Issues with pronunciation har? :idea: Can I also say I am not happy with the way some teachers speak English? Then how? I think as long as he knows what the exact pronunciation is when written in hanyu pinyin, I don't mind. Or you prefer a PRC to teach them MT?
As for the wrong use of characters, that one must point out leh, otherwise kids learn wrong things. Correct compo in more details har...if generally no grammatical mistakes, it is the general standard of the language of the child that needs brushing up. Trying to tell a teacher how to correct compo is like ....like telling a chef how he should cook to our taste.
2. Your child is in P5 now. The teacher hinted :\" Pupils, you are big boys & girls now. Don't act like babies & tell your mothers to call me. Come to me direct for all your problems\". Will you still approach her teacher though your child reminds you not to but is shy to ask in class?
My reply: Actually, I like this approach. This is the same thing I always tell DS - ask your teacher. Don't be shy to ask. The teacher won't eat you up! If he wants to eat you up, then you tell me! If you don't ask, you don't learn. 要学就要问， 不然，怎么会有”学问“？
What if DD too shy to ask? My DD wanted to order a magazine - small thing, so I get her to approach teacher herself. Turned out she refused to, so she bears the consequence of not having the magazine
If about work, I would get them to write a note to teacher - or help them write the note if they don't know how to. Seems to be easier on them.
3. The teacher slammed the pile of marked Sci exam papers on his desk & scolded the class for doing badly & not paying attention in class. You feel that it is partially his fault as he has not taught them the proper way to answer. Will you call him & how?
My reply: Sigh. What can I say? There are also times when I keep telling the kids but they also do like I've never taught them, making me so 'malu' in front of other people. I think what is more important what the teacher does 'after' he did what he did (in bold). As parents, we also have no choice but to continue to have faith in them and to repeat all that we've taught them, even if it feels like all the efforts in the past has gone down the drain, so I would expect the teacher to do the same - drill it in them until they remember. Call, perhaps, or email if the teacher just leave it as that like it isn't his business anymore.
4. A HMT teacher who has very high expectations of her pupils likes to scold most of them “猪脑袋\" & you gently reminded her. A month later, she comes up with another abusive word for her pupils & it repeats over the year. So how should we approach her?
My reply: :laugh: Frankly speaking, I donno if I will call her on this. I thought this is pretty mild. Oops, maybe it is a cultural thing...this one very subjective, or maybe cos I've heard worse during my time.
5. A teacher suddenly becomes violent in class. Would you call him and enquire?
My reply: I will definitely have a good talk with DS first, and call to find out if I find unacceptable. Violence, as we can see from the recent childcare centre case, can go out of hand when behaviour of teachers go unchecked. Humiliation cases I would also call. -
:thankyou:
Concern2, you are very diplomatic & patient. Is teaching your profession?
Unfortunately, not many parents are that vocal & assertive to approach/confront the problematic teachers out-rightly & we are unsure if they will bear grudges. Being human, they can be narrow-minded, esp when there are recurring problems & we need to communicate constantly with them. Also, will they really change for the better if there is only one parent 'talking'.
I think you are one of those that can survive the Rivervale crises if you persevere & not get worn out & your kids' classmates will certainly be blessed with your presence. :rahrah: -
MMETwo:
Hi, after reading all these comments, they made me nervous. So can somebody tell me Rivervale is a good school or not? I will register my DD in P1 2014....
Thanks in advance.
If you are able to emulate concern2 style of handling difficult teachers, things should be ok. Morever, I believe the school will review complaints more vigilantly now that so many parents had shared their bad experiences here. :rant:
Who knows, your child may get all the committed teachers for the 6 years. :xedfingers: -
MdmGiveup:
I don't know if I can handle the difficult teachers.. I don't have experience at all.MMETwo:
Hi, after reading all these comments, they made me nervous. So can somebody tell me Rivervale is a good school or not? I will register my DD in P1 2014....
Thanks in advance.
If you are able to emulate concern2 style of handling difficult teachers, things should be ok. Morever, I believe the school will review complaints more vigilantly now that so many parents had shared their bad experiences here. :rant:
Who knows, your child may get all the committed teachers for the 6 years. :xedfingers:
Of course I believe that every school got good and bad teachers...
I just doubt Rivervale's popularity, this school has been balloting in 2C since the last few years.. Why huh? -
concern2:
Wa, don't say that leh, I am also learning as I go along. Some more my kids are still young. Actually, I have experienced some stuff which the teacher said which I found unacceptable. Made call to talk to teacher, but before that, I found out that the fault did come from DS first. What I found unacceptable was what the teacher said, and I allowed myself to sleep over it for a night or two, before calling the teacher.
The conversation ended on a good note, and did not hear DS complain about her any more. Of course, it had made me sit up and pay closer attention and spend more bonding time with kids. I know when is the best time they will 'pour all out' to me, so it doesn't really bother me what the teacher tell them to do or not to do. The only thing I need to keep check of myself is not to over-react and to listen more to the kids and by asking them back questions like,
\"So, what do you think?\"
As for the situations you mentioned, it is certainly not what I have experienced, but I try.
My reply: Issues with pronunciation har? :idea: Can I also say I am not happy with the way some teachers speak English? Then how? I think as long as he knows what the exact pronunciation is when written in hanyu pinyin, I don't mind. Or you prefer a PRC to teach them MT? As for the wrong use of characters, that one must point out leh, otherwise kids learn wrong things. Correct compo in more details har...if generally no grammatical mistakes, it is the general standard of the language of the child that needs brushing up. Trying to tell a teacher how to correct compo is like ....like telling a chef how he should cook to our taste.
My reply: Actually, I like this approach. This is the same thing I always tell DS - ask your teacher. Don't be shy to ask. The teacher won't eat you up! If he wants to eat you up, then you tell me! If you don't ask, you don't learn. 要学就要问， 不然，怎么会有”学问“？
What if DD too shy to ask? My DD wanted to order a magazine - small thing, so I get her to approach teacher herself. Turned out she refused to, so she bears the consequence of not having the magazine If about work, I would get them to write a note to teacher - or help them write the note if they don't know how to. Seems to be easier on them.
My reply: Sigh. What can I say? There are also times when I keep telling the kids but they also do like I've never taught them, making me so 'malu' in front of other people. I think what is more important what the teacher does 'after' he did what he did (in bold). As parents, we also have no choice but to continue to have faith in them and to repeat all that we've taught them, even if it feels like all the efforts in the past has gone down the drain, so I would expect the teacher to do the same - drill it in them until they remember. Call, perhaps, or email if the teacher just leave it as that like it isn't his business anymore.
My reply: :laugh: Frankly speaking, I donno if I will call her on this. I thought this is pretty mild. Oops, maybe it is a cultural thing...this one very subjective, or maybe cos I've heard worse during my time.
My reply: I will definitely have a good talk with DS first, and call to find out if I find unacceptable. Violence, as we can see from the recent childcare centre case, can go out of hand when behaviour of teachers go unchecked. Humiliation cases I would also call.
Good Post.
Check with our own side first before accusing others.
Only this school has bad teachers and good teachers meh? -
octoberbaby:
All schools have good & bad teachers. But NOT all schools have fair leaders.
Check with our own side first before accusing others.
Only this school has bad teachers and good teachers meh?
i.e., if after checking, you found that the teacher is in the wrong & you seek redress from the leaders, do other school leaders treat the case seriously or side their own staff, give you a flimsy reply & close the case? The latter is what is happening here.
What I hope is the leaders will treat every case brought up by parents objectively & with an open mind now, instead of treating us like some uneducated aunties making a mountain out of a molehill.
But I am willing to give them a chance. -
My kid was in P6 also like that. They marked their own practice papers, exchange with their classmates before prelim and PSLE.
You talk about science? never taught before? YES this is true and not only in this school even other primary and sec schools also the same. We have to find our own resources for science.
Anyhow, despite many obstacles facing in primary school. At the end, my first kid finished the final hurdle in PSLE with score 260 above and in one of the top IP schools.
You never knew, our cohort was worst. Being in the first and competitive class, we fought over 1 or 2 marks in science papers. We argued with teachers and HOD.
Think back, we were childish and naïve. May be I grew older. -
octoberbaby:
Anyhow, despite many obstacles facing in primary school. At the end, my first kid finished the final hurdle in PSLE with score 260 above and in one of the top IP schools.
Think back, we were childish and naïve. May be I grew older.
Your kid did so well of course you can be so 轻松 lah. Think about those very bright & hopeful ones who initially aimed for Cedar Girls, then lower expectation to Nan Chiau & ended up in CHIJ (St Joseph's) because their families are not very affluent & school was not able to help them achieve their full potential. (Sorry CHIJSJ, not that your sch is not good, I am solely referring to the cut-off-point).
Don't be too complacent or one day someone will 吃定你。Sometimes must also 为民除害嘛, not just think about yourself. Otherwise the gap between the excellent & average pupils in the same class will drift even further apart.
I believe that's why some random selfish parents who can coach or can afford expensive tutors tend to protect the bad teachers so that there will be a wider gap between the kids in the class. That;s one way to increase their chance for the top 2 to 3% in the cohort?
But we are fighting for the majority here.
(Not referring to you hor, octoberbaby. No hard feelings ha!) -
MMETwo:
I don't know if I can handle the difficult teachers.. I don't have experience at all.MdmGiveup:
[quote=\"MMETwo\"]Hi, after reading all these comments, they made me nervous. So can somebody tell me Rivervale is a good school or not? I will register my DD in P1 2014....
Thanks in advance.
If you are able to emulate concern2 style of handling difficult teachers, things should be ok. Morever, I believe the school will review complaints more vigilantly now that so many parents had shared their bad experiences here. :rant:
Who knows, your child may get all the committed teachers for the 6 years. :xedfingers: Of course I believe that every school got good and bad teachers...
I just doubt Rivervale's popularity, this school has been balloting in 2C since the last few years.. Why huh?[/quote]
Glad that you doubt its popularity.....I used my labour to exchange for a place here and I have to :stupid: :stupid: :stupid:
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