GEP and IQ

[Harlequin]

Kiasucy:

jtoh:

[quote=\"CayennePepper\"]
Hahaha this is so true. :rotflmao:
I only heard some parents I know complaining that they wasted $$$ after the envelopes are distributed. Before that, this group of parents liked to make disparaging remarks about gep. Little did I know they were so keen to get in that they spent a small fortune (to me lah). People are funny sometimes.

Then they pass even more disparaging remarks AFTER their children don't get in and they've spent a small fortune.

Another type react like this ... \"GEP? What's that? Never heard of it...\" :rotflmao:

Another type, when other people kid got selected, they say \"GEP? heard no good one,... for us we dont want,even if get in won't choose also ... \" but when their kid turn P3 they also consent for it :rotflmao:[/quote] :rotflmao:

[jtoh]

How about this one? When the kid doesn’t get in, say that the kid purposely didn’t do well so won’t be selected. Then why go for the test to begin with?

[Kiasucy]

Come P6, they tell you,\"Your kid GEP so good,..... no need to study...no need to worry...\"

[mama_10]

i feel that shud not prep the kids for GEP. then only the \"real\" gifted kids will get into GEP.

Those GEP prep courses are long term, just like enrichment and most of the mothers i knw will keep it as a \"Top Secret\" ! even after the result released.

[sleepy]

metz:

Mensa is not the same as IQ tests nor GEP Selection test. Mensa test is just looking for patterns, if I'm not wrong. Both IQ tests and GEP tests are more than that.


IQ test is not the same as GEP selection test. In fact, the GEP branch would not admit any student to the GEP based on any IQ tests.

In short, all three tests are different and may not mean the same thing.

Steadyberry:

Yes, agree. The tests may not mean the same thing. The tests are from 3 diff sources and they are not related to each other. Type of que and how the kids are tested are different too. My friend's dd had been tested to have high IQ and she did not even pass the 1st round. She is a voracious reader and she asks many questions. To me, she is definitely diff from other kids.

Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.

By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.

[metz]

sleepy:

Agreed.
gep screening is a large scale mass exercise. Impossible to be as detailed as a one to one IQ test conducted by EP.

By the way, Mensa do not conduct test for kids below 14 years old. So all young mensa members have to submit IQ report from EP.

Honestly, I don't think too highly of IQ tests too.

[metz]

rambutan7:

There's a saying that IQ cannot be trained.

Some believes that IQ number can increase over years. So, it really depends on how one views the IQ tests.

From Wikipedia -

'Raw scores on IQ tests for many populations have been rising at an average rate that scales to three IQ points per decade since the early 20th century, a phenomenon called the Flynn effect. Investigation of differing patterns of increases in IQ battery subtest scores informs current research on human intelligence.\"

rambutan7:

All Mensa, IQ assessments, and GEP tests are similar, although the emphasis on the components are different.

IQ assessments, if done objectively (there's a lot of $ & pressure involved), are accurate reflection of a person's IQ.

IQ assessments in themselves are good tools for early intervention where necessary. It is how the results are taken & used that's often controversial if not problematic.

This one is too long for me to expand on...

rambutan7:

metz:

Those kids who are tested gifted via IQ tests ( that I heard of ) usually attend classes since toddler and have very nurturing parents.

I have 3 DS and I can tell you no matter how much you want to teach a child who is not ready to grasp the concept, you simply won't succeed.

That's the problem most parents have. Most parents that I come across can't accept that their kids are gifted in different ways and that they may be more interested in other things (not what the parent/school/enrichment wants to teach) at the particular time. For young kids, I strongly believe in letting them take the lead. A child who starts walking at 7 months old isn't necessary gifted in sports. Likewise, a toddler or preschooler who grasps concepts faster is not necessary more gifted than one who seems nonchalant.

I know that because I have two kids of very different nature and interests. I don't expect the younger one to be an image of the elder one. Both flourish in their own ways. Unlike the brother, my daughter isn't into Science books and concepts. But she signed herself up for P2 UNSW Science paper and received a high distinction. I'll probably kill her interest in Science if I expected her to pick up concepts like her brother.

[rambutan77]

metz:

A child who starts walking at 7 months old isn't necessary gifted in sports. Likewise, a toddler or preschooler who grasps concepts faster is not necessary more gifted than one who seems nonchalant.

This kid is certainly gifted, in the ability to balance and coordinate the muscles required for walking, at 7 months old.

That's the issue with using the IQ numbers.

Having a high IQ doesn't mean success in life. It just means that, a high IQ. So our kid here will not necessary be a sports star in the later years. But that has nothing to do with his/her giftedness in able to walk at 7 months.

Contrary to what you stated, the ability to grasp concepts beyond their years IS a sign of high IQ.

Also, IQ is linked to age range. The ability to understand advanced concepts is always based on the person's age. A child's understanding of pythagorean theorem at age of 7 is certainly gifted, and shouldn't compare to an undergraduate who can.

metz:

I know that because I have two kids of very different nature and interests. I don't expect the younger one to be an image of the elder one. Both flourish in their own ways. Unlike the brother, my daughter isn't into Science books and concepts. But she signed herself up for P2 UNSW Science paper and received a high distinction. I'll probably kill her interest in Science if I expected her to pick up concepts like her brother.

Having a high score in academic tests doesn't necessary linked to high IQ. As you would've read from numerous posts here that even children in the top 10 of their school cohort may not necessary make it to round 2 or even 1 of GEP tests.

Finally, concept I mentioned is not subject. Concept is the an abstract idea, thereby make it hard to understand or explain. Unless the person's cognitive development is at a stage to understand it, no amount of training can achieve success.

This is different from brute training. Anybody can be trained with enough repetitions. Even monkeys. But IQ is totally different.

A child at 10 months can be trained to recognize letters of the alphabet. Just point and say the letter enough times and reward the child with milk or sweets if he/she does it and soon enough you'll have success.

But try explaining the concept of spelling, letters forming words to a child at 15 months even, and you'll find it an almost impossible and frustrating exercise.

[airex]

Hi parents,


For those who hv let your child take the IQ test, can you pls kindly share the contacts with me?
Thanks!

[mama_10]

For gep I disagree that those get in are high IQ cos most of those got in went for gep preparation class for 1-2 years and they started tuition at very young age. Some started before P1 with Kumom. Some started since P1. And their parents definitely "hide" the fact that they sent their kids to gep classes. So those kids after 1-2 years training definitely better than those kids did not go or even don’t hv tuition at all.

This is the fact.