2014 TOP PSLE T-SCORE (EXCL HMT) - THE MAGIC 3D NUMBERS

[manifits]

:congrats: to Anglo Chinese Primary School for producing the top scorer :rahrah:

[dyh]

bekithia:

gardenia64:

I don't agree the point of bekitha. Learning Chinese language is important for Chinese people. Unfortunately , student regardless primary and secondary, student write Chinese words is very less so that students don't like Chinese language any more. Ten years back, one new Chinese word student need write at least twenty times. Nowadays my girl only write 3 times for new word. Student can not remember these words. As parents I need ask my girl to write these words for another 5 times again. Chinese and English are more on hard working. If u read more books, write more words, these two subjects can be improved a lot. Hope moe need ask student to write more words for these two subjects.

Hi Gardenia64,

What I am suggesting doesn't make MT or in your case Chinese any less important. I do agree that learning Mother Tongue is important. Not only for the Chinese but the other races as well. I am effectively billingual, having scored A* and A1 for my Psle and O levels respectively but I did well as I came from a chinese speaking background and languages were my strength. Thus I also scored well for my psle. But I really pity many children nowadays who had to spend so many hours on Chinese academic tuition and yet couldn't excel in Chinese. Often the long hours they spent on their MT became a liability to them and make them reject their MT even more.
If MT is taken out from the computation of T score and given bandings instead, the focus of parents will be to concentrate more on inculcating the beauty of Chinese culture and language, rather than learning to excel in exams. This would have far reaching positive effects on our next gen's interest in the language.

:goodpost:
MOE can continue to give the grade for MT like A*, A, B, C etc. Just don't use in the T score computation.

[magiccastle]

GiftedGem:

Parents of kong Hwa, we see 3 different scores. Pls help to confirm. Thanks.


2014 Kong Hwa School 279 - Kiasuking
2014 Kong Hwa School 268 - JJ1111
2014 Kong Hwa School 265 - Layla

Hi , confirmed shd be 265 . My friend told me yesterday . Her dd from the top class of Kong Hwa .

[dimsum]

dyh:

bekithia:

[quote=\"gardenia64\"]I don't agree the point of bekitha. Learning Chinese language is important for Chinese people. Unfortunately , student regardless primary and secondary, student write Chinese words is very less so that students don't like Chinese language any more. Ten years back, one new Chinese word student need write at least twenty times. Nowadays my girl only write 3 times for new word. Student can not remember these words. As parents I need ask my girl to write these words for another 5 times again. Chinese and English are more on hard working. If u read more books, write more words, these two subjects can be improved a lot. Hope moe need ask student to write more words for these two subjects.

Hi Gardenia64,

What I am suggesting doesn't make MT or in your case Chinese any less important. I do agree that learning Mother Tongue is important. Not only for the Chinese but the other races as well. I am effectively billingual, having scored A* and A1 for my Psle and O levels respectively but I did well as I came from a chinese speaking background and languages were my strength. Thus I also scored well for my psle. But I really pity many children nowadays who had to spend so many hours on Chinese academic tuition and yet couldn't excel in Chinese. Often the long hours they spent on their MT became a liability to them and make them reject their MT even more.
If MT is taken out from the computation of T score and given bandings instead, the focus of parents will be to concentrate more on inculcating the beauty of Chinese culture and language, rather than learning to excel in exams. This would have far reaching positive effects on our next gen's interest in the language.

:goodpost:
MOE can continue to give the grade for MT like A*, A, B, C etc. Just don't use in the T score computation.[/quote]why is MT always singled out?
There are many students who are struggling with Maths/science/English too, can they opt to exclude them in T score computation?

[Mummy899]

Hi ! My dd scored 257, possible to go NJC ?

[gardenia64]

Hi,bekithia,


I still don’t agree your point. If mt is important for Chinese. If children don’t study hard for Chinese at their early stage, when they grow up, they did not know how to write the Chinese, they can not read Chinese newspaper, if there is job opportunity in china, they can not go. A lot of parents even written to moe to complain that Chinese language is too hard to learn, so teacher can not ask pupil to write more during class. If parents still keep doing that, it is not good for child growing up. Primary school students have more time compare to secondary school, even they have less homework in Chinese, they did not improve their grades for other subjects as well. They spend too much time on whatapp, Internet , Facebook such things.
Learning language is not easy to learn compare to other subjects, we need spend more time on.
I experienced this myself. As my younger one is not good in Chinese language. The only thing I want her to do is rewrite all the Chinese word this year during school holiday. I hope she can understand better in Chinese. She don’t even read finishing one Chinese novel.
The word need to memories at least write 5 times. I did those test on my child.
Learning is all the hard working, there is no shortcut for that. 俗话说：一份耕耘，一份收获。

[pirate]

[quote]transparency...[/quote]
How come your 4 As and 1 S paper distinctions can get into Cambridge while my 4 As and 2 S paper distinctions cannot?

Let me rephrase the question about abolishing the T-score then. Why is it a problem for selection of secondary school but not a problem for selection of university or any other higher level of educational institution?

There seems to be an assumption here that every point in the T-score should carry the same weight, so that 274 must necessarily be better than 273, which in turn must necessarily be better than 272 and so on and so forth. This is a very one dimensional way of looking at things.

[zbear]

alng:

We have three national exams in Singapore but the PSLE is the most stressful. This is because everyone sitting for the PSLE has the same aim of getting into a good secondary school.


Whereas for O and A levels, the candidates have different goals. Some people aim for JC while some people aim for Poly. At A levels, there are different Universities with different programmes. Unlike PSLE, everyone has the same aim.

Didnt our Ministers say ALL SCHOOLS are GOOD??? :evil:

PSLE parents are stressed becos they want their kids to go to the BEST SCHOOLS, namely RGS/RI/HCI/NYGS/NJC etc (as I observed from KSP postings).

O levels is also the same - everyone wants to go to the BEST JC - RJC/VJC/HCI/NJC.

A levels is also the same - everyone wants to to go to the BEST U - NUS/NTU - most affordable n highly rated.

So stress is not just at PSLE. Its stress all the way until you complete your education in Singapore.

This is my humble opinion.

[Monster Mummy]

gardenia64:

Hi,bekithia,


I still don't agree your point. If mt is important for Chinese. If children don't study hard for Chinese at their early stage, when they grow up, they did not know how to write the Chinese, they can not read Chinese newspaper, if there is job opportunity in china, they can not go. A lot of parents even written to moe to complain that Chinese language is too hard to learn, so teacher can not ask pupil to write more during class. If parents still keep doing that, it is not good for child growing up. Primary school students have more time compare to secondary school, even they have less homework in Chinese, they did not improve their grades for other subjects as well. They spend too much time on whatapp, Internet , Facebook such things.
Learning language is not easy to learn compare to other subjects, we need spend more time on.
I experienced this myself. As my younger one is not good in Chinese language. The only thing I want her to do is rewrite all the Chinese word this year during school holiday. I hope she can understand better in Chinese. She don't even read finishing one Chinese novel.
The word need to memories at least write 5 times. I did those test on my child.
Learning is all the hard working, there is no shortcut for that. 俗话说：一份耕耘，一份收获。

I agreed as currently I also enforcing this method on my children.

[lee_yl]

My daughter scored band 1 for all subjects except for MT. While the option proposed by bekithia appeared attractive, the thought of removing MT (so that my dd can enter the best sec school) never cross my mind simply because we are 华人。Instead I plan to help my dd improve her standard of Chinese for her new school year.


Seriously speaking, by removing MT, the likely outcome is that time and effort will be diverted to the remaining 3 subjects and not even bother to start, not to mention about appreciating the beauty of Chinese later in life. As an analogy, if French or Spanish is not a PSLE subject, how many students will spend the energy to study them?

It may be extreme, but look at how PRCs pick up English, literally reading the dictionary from cover to cover. Not easy for them to pick up English.

As an alternative, instead of removing MT from PSLE, why not consider removing English? What do you think will happen overnight? It won’t be surprising to see our Chinese standard improve by leaps and bounds overnight.

Strange that only Singapore Chinese have problems with MT, never hear Malays or Tamils complain about their MT.