All About Choosing Piano Schools And Teachers

[Imami]

zeemimi:

Aural gets harder with each grade.

So should the students attend separate aural lessons for every grade? If the student is not doing grading exam, shd he/she still attend separate aural lessons for every grade? Just wondering- since aural is getting harder, will it ease the pain if we start earlier?

[metz2]

zeemimi:

Aural gets harder with each grade. Dd also failed her grade 8 aural. She knew she was hopeless at that section, so try to make up by scoring in her pieces and scales. Teacher told us there are just some pianists who can't hear the base cleft notes no matter how hard they try. It's just the way their brain is wired.

My kids have very different experiences.

We (including the piano teacher) were prepared for the elder one to perform, at best, borderline for grade 8 aural. He is really bad at aural and had less than a year to train for abrsm aural from ground zero. However, he surprised us with a score of 15/18.

My younger one, whom we thought would bag a perfect score for her grade 3 aural easily, shocked us by failing the section. She is the one with better hearing and loves to sing, was even selected for her school choir. It was her first exam and she said she was too nervous that she blanked out. :slapshead:

[zeemimi]

Imami:

zeemimi:

Aural gets harder with each grade.

So should the students attend separate aural lessons for every grade? If the student is not doing grading exam, shd he/she still attend separate aural lessons for every grade? Just wondering- since aural is getting harder, will it ease the pain if we start earlier?

I speak as a parent for this aspect. If you have the time and money to spare, no harm going for separate aural lessons. This was something I considered for dd, to let her learn singing under the professional just to clear gr 8 aural besides the training she got during piano lessons . But the idea was shelved cos she had no time, it was not cheap and it wasn't our priority. I reckon I just want her to get over with gr 8 being the last lap. She too want to clear it and concentrate on her major exams. Anyway she had no intention to pursue music further. So we left it as it is.

[Imami]

zeemimi:

Imami:

[quote=\"zeemimi\"]Aural gets harder with each grade.

So should the students attend separate aural lessons for every grade? If the student is not doing grading exam, shd he/she still attend separate aural lessons for every grade? Just wondering- since aural is getting harder, will it ease the pain if we start earlier?

I speak as a parent for this aspect. If you have the time and money to spare, no harm going for separate aural lessons. This was something I considered for dd, to let her learn singing under the professional just to clear gr 8 aural besides the training she got during piano lessons . But the idea was shelved cos she had no time, it was not cheap and it wasn't our priority. I reckon I just want her to get over with gr 8 being the last lap. She too want to clear it and concentrate on her major exams. Anyway she had no intention to pursue music further. So we left it as it is.[/quote]Thanks for your comment. Will speak to the teacher and then find out more about separate aural lessons.

[Kee Kor]

Are there teachers who just take students for aural lessons? Or do we request to do extra lessons with existing teacher?


DS is 10 and just did his Grade 3 ABRSM exams after 1yr 4 months of lessons. Is it possible to push for Grade 5 in a year from now? I feel that his aural is weak and will pull down his score but teacher seems to think that it is ok except for the singing bit. When does one start to work on aural prior to exams? 1-2 months before exams enough??

[Dreamaurora]

zeemimi:

I speak as a parent for this aspect. If you have the time and money to spare, no harm going for separate aural lessons. This was something I considered for dd, to let her learn singing under the professional just to clear gr 8 aural besides the training she got during piano lessons . But the idea was shelved cos she had no time, it was not cheap and it wasn't our priority. I reckon I just want her to get over with gr 8 being the last lap. She too want to clear it and concentrate on her major exams. Anyway she had no intention to pursue music further. So we left it as it is.

In the ideal world, any teacher offering ABRSM graded exams should be thoroughly proficient in preparing all aspects of the exams. But the reality is it's very hard to find a teacher who is an all-rounder. Even among the more established teachers, many of them are very skilled in teaching technique and pieces, but aural and sight-reading aspects are often not their fortes. I admit even for me only recently I am getting a better grasp at teaching aural more consistently. Thus the students need to fill in these gaps themselves or find someone else who can.

Aural does favor students who already have perfect pitch, especially those in choirs. My students who do very good in aural are practically almost all have perfect pitch. For those without perfect pitch like myself, good aural skill can still be achieved systematically. So for these students, if they are taking exams, I will start their aural training earlier and more regularly. Outside exams, the teacher can continually incorporate activities that can double as aural training. For example, the teacher can ask the student to sing the melodic line of the piece the student is playing while the teacher plays. Clapping, identifying differences, and viva can be regularly incorporated in lessons seamlessly as well.

[Dreamaurora]

Kee Kor:

Are there teachers who just take students for aural lessons? Or do we request to do extra lessons with existing teacher?


DS is 10 and just did his Grade 3 ABRSM exams after 1yr 4 months of lessons. Is it possible to push for Grade 5 in a year from now? I feel that his aural is weak and will pull down his score but teacher seems to think that it is ok except for the singing bit. When does one start to work on aural prior to exams? 1-2 months before exams enough??

For this age, it is easier to push for a faster progress due to higher maturity, but don't underestimate the jump from grade 3-5. Even for students who have taken grade 4, they may still find grade 5 is a big step up. Technical deficiencies not addressed in lower grade will most likely manifest in this grade. But it is definitely possible and has been attempted by students before. I would suggest to start the pieces and scales as soon as possible though for a more comfortable timeline.

For grade 5, 2 out of 3 sections involve singing, unless your DS decides to play back on the piano instead for the melodic memory section. If he is weak in this, then better to start earlier.

[Kee Kor]

Dreamaurora:

Kee Kor:

Are there teachers who just take students for aural lessons? Or do we request to do extra lessons with existing teacher?


DS is 10 and just did his Grade 3 ABRSM exams after 1yr 4 months of lessons. Is it possible to push for Grade 5 in a year from now? I feel that his aural is weak and will pull down his score but teacher seems to think that it is ok except for the singing bit. When does one start to work on aural prior to exams? 1-2 months before exams enough??

For this age, it is easier to push for a faster progress due to higher maturity, but don't underestimate the jump from grade 3-5. Even for students who have taken grade 4, they may still find grade 5 is a big step up. Technical deficiencies not addressed in lower grade will most likely manifest in this grade. But it is definitely possible and has been attempted by students before. I would suggest to start the pieces and scales as soon as possible though for a more comfortable timeline.

For grade 5, 2 out of 3 sections involve singing, unless your DS decides to play back on the piano instead for the melodic memory section. If he is weak in this, then better to start earlier.

Thanks for the advise. I will try to slow DS down. He is in a big hurry to catch up with his peers who have started earlier and overtake them. Rather competitive in nature.

[Dreamaurora]

Kee Kor:

Thanks for the advise. I will try to slow DS down. He is in a big hurry to catch up with his peers who have started earlier and overtake them. Rather competitive in nature.

I pushed myself very hard and rushed through the grades when I started learning piano for the same reason as your DS. I knew that I was very behind compared to others and I wanted to prove that adult learners can make it too in piano. It is a powerful motivation, but one that can easily go out of check and detrimental in the long run. It is always prudent to have a clear structured plan worked out closely with the teacher in order to achieve this. I think it is important to remember that the learning journey itself is more important; the exams are just goals along the way to guide the journey. I learnt the hard way myself how a combination of overconfidence and unrealistic expectation were actually causing me more harm in the end.

By the way, it is obviously better if the teacher herself could go through the aural lessons herself in lessons. If she is unable to fulfill this or feel that an external help is needed, then she should feedback to you. Then it is up to you whether it is worth the extra expense to get additional help just for aural or just sacrifice those marks and concentrate on the pieces, scales, and sight reading instead.

[Kee Kor]

Dreamaurora:

Kee Kor:

Thanks for the advise. I will try to slow DS down. He is in a big hurry to catch up with his peers who have started earlier and overtake them. Rather competitive in nature.

I pushed myself very hard and rushed through the grades when I started learning piano for the same reason as your DS. I knew that I was very behind compared to others and I wanted to prove that adult learners can make it too in piano. It is a powerful motivation, but one that can easily go out of check and detrimental in the long run. It is always prudent to have a clear structured plan worked out closely with the teacher in order to achieve this. I think it is important to remember that the learning journey itself is more important; the exams are just goals along the way to guide the journey. I learnt the hard way myself how a combination of overconfidence and unrealistic expectation were actually causing me more harm in the end.

By the way, it is obviously better if the teacher herself could go through the aural lessons herself in lessons. If she is unable to fulfill this or feel that an external help is needed, then she should feedback to you. Then it is up to you whether it is worth the extra expense to get additional help just for aural or just sacrifice those marks and concentrate on the pieces, scales, and sight reading instead.

Teacher's feedback was DS's singing which was horrible. Otherwise she said everything was ok. Not perfect but ok. She is however pleased with his pieces and scales so DS told me she is expecting a distinction.