Homosexuality
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WeiHan:
How do you conclude from winth's post that they told the whole world? Could be only 1 person knew it but such news spread like wild fire.... :?
You see. The tell the whole world except you. Now you should know why.winth:
Actually... I'm very against it.
My ex-boss was a gay but I didn't realise it. Then, I was still happily working and just felt that he behaved alittle differently and looks very well-built and clean shaven for a guy. I have never had friends who are homosexual, so I still lived in that 'perfect ideal' world with just pure males and pure females. The question on homosexuality was very far away from me.
That's why I guess I'm very 'blind' to realise such differences until things are spelt clear to me.
I had a shock of my life when my colleague revealed that to me. She even brought me out for a cuppa just to calm me down. And then, I never dared to talk to him normally.
Then another thing hit me! My another colleague was a lesbian, I didn't realise it too until she told me. I almost :faint:
Actually, 3-5% of population of every cultures are gays. That is the number that people are getting closer as we understand more. So, from now on, the world should not be \"perfect\" for you, every 100 people that you come in contact with, you can expect 3-5 gays at least. -
Eagle-Ladybird:
Thanks Eagle-Ladybird...another good read. I think there is a similar article I have read before that suggests homosexuality:3boys, WeiHan and others,
I enjoyed the healthy debate going in this forum, and the cool/level headedness maintain throughout. The highest level of mutual respect exhibited in replies, are well appreciated, especially in a such hot topic in today's world.
Let me inject some comments, quoting from the book written by Dr James Dobson, titled \"Bringing Up Boys\". In it, ther's a whole chapter devoted to what he called \"Origin of Homosexuality\". Honestly I don't read widely on this topic, in fact none. But yet I find Dr Dodson's chapter appealing. Here some excerpts from the book :
- Homosexuality is not typically \"chosen\". Instead, the bewildered children and adolescene find themselves dealing with something they don't even understand;
- There is no evidence to indicate that homosexuality is inherited. There no respected geneticists in the world today who claim to have found a so-called \"gay gene\" or other indicatiors of genetic transmission (what he's trying to say is, there's no such thing as \"born that way\"). This is not to say that there may not be some kind of biological predisposition or an inherited temperament that makes one vulnerable to environmental influences;
- Psychologist George Rekers says there is considerable evidence that change of sexual orientation is possible - with or without psychiatric intervention;
- Dr Dobson highly recommends the reading of the book entitled \"Preventing Homosexuality : A Parent's Guide\" written by clinical psychologist Joseph Nicolosi, of whom he believed to be the foremost authority on the prevention and treatment of homosexuality today;
At this juncture, Dr Dobson seems to sgguest that upbringing and environmental factors play a large part in the crucila growing years (which I believe is also what's being expressed by 3Boys).
He then continued to list downsigns of pre-homosexuality which are easy to recognize, and the signs come early in the child's life - mostly corss-gender behaviour. He also claimed thta there's a high correlation between feminine behaviour in boyhood and adult homosexuality. But he has this to offer \"The most important message I can offer to you is that there is no such thing as a \"gay child\" or a \"gay teen\", but left untreated, studies show these boys have a 75% chance of becoming homosexual or bisexual.
Treat the baove as part I - short and sweet, Dr Dobson, given all his research in this topic, is of the view that we must guard our young souls against going down the path of homosexuality, and it is \"treatable\" at the young age, even up to teens.
He continued to then prescribed what should be done . . . which will be Part II
Thanks for reading.
1. Not choice
2. Not genetic
But can be influenced to be.....So again I stress again, it is an art to handle this, not a science to be discussed with laboratory results. -
insider:
Why should you? Everyone's experience is different so it will have a bearing on their beliefs.
Why I am having this very bad after taste of some people keep having this fear of the homosexuals will go around influencing other people to be like them huh? -
Fundamentally I want control on how I raise my children and what values they imbibe. And to do so I need space. I do not need a liberal agenda shoved down my throat about what I can or cannot say to my children, ridiculing/attacking me if I make a public stance, nor do I want alternative values making their way by subterfuge through schools (a-la AWARE).
So in fact, what is perceived as an aggressive stance is mainly a defensive posture.
Respect and tolerance for all, yes, but homosexuality preached as normal and acceptable practice to my children? Not in my book. I want my space to for my children to hear me and I don’t need confusing (and occasionally deceptive) messages from folk I don’t trust. When they grow up they can make their own choices.
It is that simple. -
This boss that I was talking about has been having ‘internal turmoils’ within himself for many years on his certain behaviour.
He has tried to date girls but I think failed. He is rather attractive to female, just that perhaps the relationship wasn’t meant to blossom.
It was only after he picked up some book that gave him the idea the homosexuality is to be liberalised and accepted by society that he went on telling everyone there that he is gay. This thought got even stronger after he went on to befriend some link from the western countries about this idea. Seriously, is he really gay or did society taught him to be gay so that he has a ‘place’.
Sometimes, I seriously wonder, is liberalisation in thoughts good or is it in fact giving more problems.
Like 3boys, I don’t want to be liberalised in my way of teaching my boys. Yes, call me old-fashion, but I don’t want to be caught with some gay/lesbian friends or protraying a more feminine/masculine-mixed behaviour to my children in allowing them to think that such behaviour is acceptable.
And well, WeiHan, seriously, I posted this with a ‘matter-of-fact’ tonation of what happened to me and being really candid about my very first personal encounter. I’m not that ‘blind’ blind to what this world is becoming of.
Another situation:
This perfectly normal girl, pretty and stuff, has loads of boyfriends. But because of her personality and ego, none of her boyfriends lasted. She is stepping into her 30s soon and no one promising in sight. She’s worried obviously. Big problem now is: she’s wondering if she is a lesbian or a bisexual in fact.
I mean come’on, homosexuality - a choice? or genes? or ‘accept this fact’ from some recent studies? -
This topic very hot potato.
It’s alright if a friend leans towards homosexuality - that’s their choice. I won’t ostracize a person for leaning whichever way.
But I don’t quite want my kids to feel that this is a natural thing, that this is something that cannot be helped. Look at the US, anytime someone does something wrong, it’s called a disease, something inborn…what ever happened to taking personal blame?
If homosexuality is natural, humans will all be dead. Man and woman supposed to come together, mate and that’s how human line continue.
My simplistic view. -
Actually majority’s views are pretty unanimous with the exceptions of a few into liberalisation idealogy.
Most do not think it is natural.
No one discriminates them, I suppose this is good upbringing in our racially and religiously harmonious environment.
99% of the parents would not want any form of such influence to potentially hit their children. -
Eagle-Ladybird:
But James Dobson hmself is a controversial right wing chirstian figure. Most of his political idea and views regarding homosxuality is based on his religious conviction and nothing based on objective evidences. His views are not supported by the mainstream mental health community, including the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.3boys, WeiHan and others,
I enjoyed the healthy debate going in this forum, and the cool/level headedness maintain throughout. The highest level of mutual respect exhibited in replies, are well appreciated, especially in a such hot topic in today's world.
Let me inject some comments, quoting from the book written by Dr James Dobson, titled \"Bringing Up Boys\". In it, ther's a whole chapter devoted to what he called \"Origin of Homosexuality\". Honestly I don't read widely on this topic, in fact none. But yet I find Dr Dodson's chapter appealing. Here some excerpts from the book :
- Homosexuality is not typically \"chosen\". Instead, the bewildered children and adolescene find themselves dealing with something they don't even understand;
- There is no evidence to indicate that homosexuality is inherited. There no respected geneticists in the world today who claim to have found a so-called \"gay gene\" or other indicatiors of genetic transmission (what he's trying to say is, there's no such thing as \"born that way\"). This is not to say that there may not be some kind of biological predisposition or an inherited temperament that makes one vulnerable to environmental influences;
- Psychologist George Rekers says there is considerable evidence that change of sexual orientation is possible - with or without psychiatric intervention;
- Dr Dobson highly recommends the reading of the book entitled \"Preventing Homosexuality : A Parent's Guide\" written by clinical psychologist Joseph Nicolosi, of whom he believed to be the foremost authority on the prevention and treatment of homosexuality today;
At this juncture, Dr Dobson seems to sgguest that upbringing and environmental factors play a large part in the crucila growing years (which I believe is also what's being expressed by 3Boys).
He then continued to list downsigns of pre-homosexuality which are easy to recognize, and the signs come early in the child's life - mostly corss-gender behaviour. He also claimed thta there's a high correlation between feminine behaviour in boyhood and adult homosexuality. But he has this to offer \"The most important message I can offer to you is that there is no such thing as a \"gay child\" or a \"gay teen\", but left untreated, studies show these boys have a 75% chance of becoming homosexual or bisexual.
Treat the baove as part I - short and sweet, Dr Dobson, given all his research in this topic, is of the view that we must guard our young souls against going down the path of homosexuality, and it is \"treatable\" at the young age, even up to teens.
He continued to then prescribed what should be done . . . which will be Part II
Thanks for reading.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson -
WeiHan:
And what type of persons are in the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association? Gays/not?
But James Dobson hmself is a controversial right wing chirstian figure. Most of his political idea and views regarding homosxuality is based on his religious conviction and nothing based on objective evidences. His views are not supported by the mainstream mental health community, including the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson
I think whatever such institutions post will be what the persons behind it believe. -
hquek:
They are the professional psychiatrists and psychologists. All the main top psychiatrists and psychologists are in the associations. They are indeed the true representation of the accurate knowledge that we can know about the field. James Dobson is really the odd one out. Even the psychiatrist association of China which is independent of the APA has the same view that homosexuality is normal and is not a disease.
And what type of persons are in the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association? Gays/not?WeiHan:
But James Dobson hmself is a controversial right wing chirstian figure. Most of his political idea and views regarding homosxuality is based on his religious conviction and nothing based on objective evidences. His views are not supported by the mainstream mental health community, including the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dobson
I think whatever such institutions post will be what the persons behind it believe.
So are you thinking that they are politically motivated? Far from it, it is in fact really religious group s such as FOTF that is.
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