Raffles Institution (Year 1-4)

[zulu]

ACSip:

zulu:

[quote=\"ACSip\"]RI shouldn't have taken so much of their time then. Yes, they have to do sport but requiring too much of their time in sport is not acceptable when the results are as this. Don't just blame the kids. More diversity, yes, but not at this expense. Totally no empathy!

RI's training requirement is very very manageable. Students that train daily are competing at a higher level e.g. national level. Students who compete overseas represent Spore, not RI.

What's your basis for saying it's very, very manageable?

How can RI's O level results be justified or acceptable? And also the following from the article \"One student, who played hockey for the school, said he was surprised by his results because he did fairly well in school, scoring 12 points for his mid-year examination and 17 points for his preliminary examination. Teachers had been assuring the class that the preliminary examination was meant to be tougher than the ‘O’ level papers. But his final ‘O’ level results were a far cry from what he had expected. He scored 24 points. He wondered if the school lost out because teachers were unfamiliar with the ‘O’ level syllabus: “When we were doing the paper, we all knew that something was wrong.”\"[/quote]The requirement is no more than non-DSA teammates and quite comparable to other non sports CCAs. Those that train everyday are competing at a much higher level and are doing so on their own volition. I am not making any justification, merely stating that RI does not expect such rigorous training for those who DSAed sports.

[ACSip]

pirated:

There are many more in RI who train and compete together with these sports DSA boys, equally intense, bring back same medals, but still manages GPA above 3.xx and doing well in acad studies

What's your basis for stating the above?

And how do you explain the following \"One student, who played hockey for the school, said he was surprised by his results because he did fairly well in school, scoring 12 points for his mid-year examination and 17 points for his preliminary examination. Teachers had been assuring the class that the preliminary examination was meant to be tougher than the ‘O’ level papers. But his final ‘O’ level results were a far cry from what he had expected. He scored 24 points. He wondered if the school lost out because teachers were unfamiliar with the ‘O’ level syllabus: “When we were doing the paper, we all knew that something was wrong.”\"

[ACSip]

zulu:

The requirement is no more than non-DSA teammates and quite comparable to other non sports CCAs. Those that train everyday are competing at a much higher level and are doing so on their own volition. I am not making any justification, merely stating that RI does not expect such rigorous training for those who DSAed sports.

Are you stating you personally know that these 10 RI students trained everyday at their own volition? And that you personally know RI did not expect these 10 to train the way they did?

[3Boys]

ACSip:

RI shouldn't have taken so much of their time then. Yes, they have to do sport but requiring too much of their time in sport is not acceptable when the results are as this. Don't just blame the kids. More diversity, yes, but not at this expense. Totally no empathy!

The simplest thing for RI to do is not to take students below 230 even for sports DSA. Problem solved.

[ACSip]

zulu:

The requirement is no more than non-DSA teammates and quite comparable to other non sports CCAs. Those that train everyday are competing at a much higher level and are doing so on their own volition. I am not making any justification, merely stating that RI does not expect such rigorous training for those who DSAed sports.

Are you stating you personally know that these 10 RI students trained everyday at their own volition? And that you personally know RI did not expect these 10 to train the way they did?

You do not appear to have given the basis for stating \"RI's training requirement is very very manageable.\"

[sharonkhoo]

Changing the subject - for parents of RGS girls who just entered RI this year. Do ask your girls to check the CCA records for RD that got transferred to RI. My daughter has found that quite a few things got left off her record. We don’t know if it’s stuff that isn’t considered, or whether it’s an oversight. Not the main CCA things, but the extra odds and ends like taking part in optional competitions etc. I believe the last day to update the records is tomorrow.

[ACSip]

pirated:

If the same bottom cohort students were to be in other less well known schools and you think they can do better in both sports and acad studies ? But then nobody care a damn because the boys are not in \"elite\" school

If the same cohort are in other well known schools, it is not only possible but likely these students will do better if the school does not require them to take away so many hours from their studies. Point is that the school needs to take care of their academic well being once it takes them in. The school has the responsibility to do so. And I'm not saying that the students don't have their responsibility to put in the study hours.

The following from the article does not say whether it was the school's requirement or the student's volition: \"Another student, a track-and-field athlete, conceded that training for competitions might have taken time away from studies. He was out of class for between two and three months last year because of national and international competitions. “Just like how the other students put in time and effort into their work, we as sportsmen have to also put it in our sports.”\"

[pirated]

The simplest way is to transfer them to other O level schools


But wait - the following accusations will then be thrown at RI :

1. School is heartless, made use of these boys to bring in the medals and then discard them so that they won’t bring down the acad performance of the schools

2. School should be more caring to start O level class to care for them

Blah blah blah

[pirated]

ACSip:

pirated:

If the same bottom cohort students were to be in other less well known schools and you think they can do better in both sports and acad studies ? But then nobody care a damn because the boys are not in \"elite\" school

If the same cohort are in other well known schools, it is not only possible but likely these students will do better if the school does not require them to take away so many hours from their studies. Point is that the school needs to take care of their academic well being once it takes them in. The school has the responsibility to do so. And I'm not saying that the students don't have their responsibility to put in the study hours.

The following from the article does not say whether it was the school's requirement or the student's volition: \"Another student, a track-and-field athlete, conceded that training for competitions might have taken time away from studies. He was out of class for between two and three months last year because of national and international competitions. “Just like how the other students put in time and effort into their work, we as sportsmen have to also put it in our sports.”\"

He is not the only RI sportsman. There are many others but doing ok in their studies but also equal commitment in the sports

Said bluntly, MAY BE these are truthfully more talented in sports than in acad studies.

Certain People may not be able to accept the truth. And not happy with this comment. Let it be

[pirated]

slmkhoo:

Changing the subject - for parents of RGS girls who just entered RI this year. Do ask your girls to check the CCA records for RD that got transferred to RI. My daughter has found that quite a few things got left off her record. We don't know if it's stuff that isn't considered, or whether it's an oversight. Not the main CCA things, but the extra odds and ends like taking part in optional competitions etc. I believe the last day to update the records is tomorrow.

Even the boys have missing records.

Some are not relevant for RD purposes. If all were to be recorded there isn't enough space. Some of them are really involved in many things as they try to achieve distinctions in all five areas. But they are also doing well in acad studies as they fulfill the criteria for cognitive as well.