* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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KTKS:
If KTKS hadn't pointed out this fact, MJC's image would have been tarnished by you, mindays!! :evil: :evil:
I do not have any idea that retention rate for any JC can be above 20%. :yikes: It is not allowed by MOE.mindays:
Do not forget that about 20-30% of MJC cohort retains yearly. MJC is well-know to be a school that has the highest retain rate. So 9 students out of 10 from MJC made it to local University, but 2-3 out of 10 took 3 years to do it. Do you not think the extra year of JC curriculum play a role for that \"on-par\" results?
Since 9 out of 10 is kind of vague, we do not know the actual discrete numbers. However, I must agree with you that the results are pretty good
Please show the link where you get this figure from.
I remember there was an MOE release report about retention rate of JC pupils and there were 2 unnamed JCs that had consistently 15% retention rate for 3 years and that was the highest possible. It can't be 2-3 out of 10 took 3 years to complete his A level and eligible for local university in any JC. The 2 JCs may not be referring to MJC too as it wasn't officially announced. It may be referring to NYJC or others, unless we have concrete proof. :nailbite:
Preach what you believe by getting your facts right before posting on a forum. -
mindays:
Would you have thought of \"Students can easily create multiple accounts and try all ways to downplay any JCs that they dislike\" if it hasn't crossed your mind to do the same? :idea: I observed that many forummers here are 'old' members whereas you are the 'newest'. Are you one of those with multiple accounts?
Blurblob11, thank you for recognising that I am not from NYJC. I do not see how my posts can lead you to thinking that I am boasting about NYJC in an offensive manner. Which post did you refer to? I do not see the need to boast in a forum because parents will have done their due research and HW on the respective colleges. I share information which may seem to be a sort of \"boast\" to you. Truth to be told, I used hedging in all my posts. I am careful not to generalise. I have to reiterate that I am not here to bring up NYJC or pull down the rest. I justify for ALL JCs. This brings me to a heavily sought-after question.blurblob11:
Mindays, since you have insisted that you are not from NYJC and has no direct interest in this college, I suggest you stopped boasting about it in a rather offensive manner as it is tarnishing my good impression of NYJC.
Thank you and please accept my apology for being frank.
Q: Why did you come to KSP?
A: I couldn't tolerate how parents or students :xedfingers: who do not know NYJC well enough come to this thread and post false information or perception. As such, there is a need for me to voice out my thoughts. I am not here to create a ruckus because it is time consuming and mentally draining. I do have work to do after all. I have noticed the quality of KSP forum has also dwindled these months. Students can easily create multiple accounts and try all ways to downplay any JCs that they dislike. Hopefully the administrators can do something about it. -
mindays:
While this is true to a certain extent, we are all aware that neighbourhood schools' pupils are mainly offered 7 subjects instead of the standard 8 subjects. Some of them have even dropped a further subject or have combined 2 science subjects in order to cope better, leaving them with 6 subjects. Instead of getting 7-8 distinctions in O levels as what mindays mentioned, they could be getting 6 distinctions. Although it is still impressive but that is a result of being able to concentrate on fewer O level subjects. These pupils will prefer NYJC as it is flexible with its subject combinations. The fewer O level subjects that one takes, the more difficult it is to choose the 'normal' subject combinations that most JCs offer.
While what you say is true, bear in mind the students from these neighbourhood sec schools comprise of the top students there. It's like a gathering of talents from 80+ schools. Imagine most of them getting 7-8 distinctions in O level, the students there are ppl with distinctionsblurblob11:
I do not think this information plays an important role in this discussion as students are admitted into JCs based on merits. There are many who thrive in secondary schools despite getting poor PSLE results.
For NYJC, students are from more than 80 different secondary schools. Thus there are many students from neighbourhood secondary schools in NYJC too. -
candyfan:
TJC has a cohort of about 600, while NYJC has more than 700. Thus you can't use the absolute number of 3H2 distinctions scorers to compare.mindays:
[quote=\"candyfan\"]Th following information was extracted from another KSP thread on the latest A level result:
Based on the statistics posted, the top 10 ranking of JCs based on 2015 A levels performance is:
1. RI
2. HCI
3. VJC
4. NJC
5. DHS
6. RVHS/ ACJC
8. NYJC depending on the stats for TJC & AJC
Most think that the current COP of NYJC is not an accurate gauge of its A level performance. It has just gotten popular for other reasons.
Let me show you statistics of TJC and AJC.
TJC: 152 students scored 3 H2 content distinctions. 96.2% qualify for University Admission (notice that it includes all university worldwide and not just local). 18 subjects (including H1 H2 H3) achieved above national distinction rates
AJC: 127 students scored 3 H2 distinctions or more. 45.7% scored 80 RP or more. So the majority (54.3%) of them got lower then 80 RP.
http://www.temasekjc.moe.edu.sg/qql/slo ... phics.jpeg
http://ajc.edu.sg/
NYJC had an averaged RP of 81 for the 2015 batch. My question is, are you sure this ranking is credible? I find it dubious. Anyone can come up with a ranking like this. There again, I must admit that it is indeed difficult to compare with such little resources.
Yes, I agree that NYJC is indeed popular and most think that the current COP of NYJC is not an accurate gauge of its A level performance. I must say, birds of the same feather flock together. The majority of students in NYJC are 6 pointers (nett) or below (though there are 7 pointers (arts) but they are not the majority). This means that the peers you work with in subjects like Project Work will most likely be a 6 pointer nett or below. Do you not think it will play a part in the PW results which is also related to A level performance?
For AJC, 45.7% scored above 80 rank points.
For NYJC, the average is 81 rank points. As to how many of them actually gotten above 80 rank points is unknown. It could be lower than AJC's 45.7%.
For PW, you mentioned earlier that NYJC distinction rate had been consistent at 65% in the past. Someone mentioned it was below 40% for 2015 batch. However, for TPJC (COP 13), the PW distinction rate is above 70%. So there is no correlation between O level points and % of PW distinctions in any JC. The quality of PW work of each JC is regulated by SEAB.[/quote]Are you sure TJC has a cohort of about 600? Please check again :scared: The IP section contributes to 150 students. I am sure the cohort size is more than 700. In fact it is approximately about 800, more than NYJC.
Given that 45.7% of AJC students got 80 RP and above.
Given that the mean RP of NYJC students is 81 RP.
Yes, you don't compare it that way.
But you think, whose performance is better?
What I mean is, the students you work with are 6 pointers or below. Is that just 1 case that you have brought up (TPJC)? How do you explain HCI's distinction rate for PW being about 90% and their cut off point for 2014 (2015's batch) is 3 for Science and 4 for Arts. How do you explain RI's distinction rate for PW being about 80+% and their cut off point for 2014 (2015's batch) is 3 for Science and 4 for Arts. How do you explain VJC's distinction rate for PW being about 65% and their cut off point for 2014 (2015's batch) is 5 for Science and 6 for Arts. How do you explain IJC's distinction rate for PW being about 15% and their cut off point for 2014 (2015's batch) is 20 for Science and 18 for Arts.
And, NYJC's PW distinction rate is not confirmed as below 40% for 2015 batch. In fact, it was mentioned that the past years (recent) of NYJC's PW distinction rate result, which is 65%.
Besides, I don't think your sources are credible as evident from TJC's enrolment. -
candyfan:
Did I not mention that HCI rejects also go to NJC? You used the word \"known\". I assume you know the details of several. Several is how many? 10? 20?
For HCI rejects, they are most likely to choose one that is closer to his L1R5, which should be NJC or VJC. Afterall, there aren't many who are offered and interested to take up CLEP.mindays:
Perhaps you may have overlooked my bolded \"main\" word.
Let me explain why I did not mention NJC and VJC but rather RI and HCI.
RI is rather close to NYJC, it is located at bishan area. jetsetter has also said that students who couldn't make it to RI will look for the nearest JC in their vicinity, which is NYJC.
HCI was chosen too, admitting the fact that they do offer CLEP. HCI is a Chinese school, so is NYJC. So, those who wanted to pursue CLEP in HCI may be rejected and hence, chose NYJC as a substitute. Or students who want the Chinese culture but got rejected by HCI, will most likely end up in NYJC.
VJC was not chosen because they are too far apart. If you say it is close and convenient, do you know that many 2 pointers who are more than eligible to enter RI chose VJC instead? And since NYJC is closer to VJC as compared to RI, it certainly does not make sense that NYJC comprises of rejects from VJC.
NJC was not chosen because the main students who are in NYJC are not MAINLY rejects of NJC.
I do not do that for fun or to bring down other JCs.
I think it is not gracious of others to imply that only NYJCians are rejects of RI (jetsetter).
I agree with you that not all of the students are rejects but have chosen the respective JC as their 1st choice. This applies to ALL JCs.
For NYJC, I have known of several pupils who were rejected by VJC this year even though they are 5-pointers, especially those residing somewhere between the 2 JCs. -
candyfan:
Yes, I agree to a certain extent. According to the COP Ranking of the different JCs, the difference in COP for Science and Arts between NJC or VJC and NYJC is 1 You may say it's a huge difference. To me, that difference is not so significant to the point that one will choose NJC or VJC instead of NYJC when considering factors like distance or facilities that will play a part in making an informed decision. Do you think so?
I do agree that both HCI and NYJC leaders advocate the Chinese culture more than other JCs. They are most favoured by PRC. However, I am certain most (but not all) of their 'realistic' parents would prefer them to go to a better ranked JC if their DCs were rejected by HCI.candyfan:
HCI was chosen too, admitting the fact that they do offer CLEP. HCI is a Chinese school, so is NYJC. So, those who wanted to pursue CLEP in HCI may be rejected and hence, chose NYJC as a substitute. Or students who want the Chinese culture but got rejected by HCI, will most likely end up in NYJC. -
candyfan:
Thank you for citing scenarios. I agree that it is dependent on each and every student.mindays:
Besides, students are impactful and are great influencers. In RI case, you work with 2-3 pointers. In NYJC, you work with perhaps 6 pointers or below. In TJC, you work with 9 pointers or below.
It depends on whether the pupil prefers to be a big fish in a small pond or a small fish in a big pond and the stress level he is able to tolerate. Also, look at these possible scenarios:
In RI, one works mostly with higher-cop IP pupils. Many of them have such high ability that they need not work hard butcan play hard and yet are able to obtain stellar results. They may negatively influence or demoralise some of the 2-3 pointers JAE pupils.
In TJC, the 9-pointers (and below) work with the lower-cop IP pupils and other JAEs. They generally have to work hard together and thus create a more conducive environment for studies. Morever, the IP pupils are well-trained in projects and can be of help to the JAEs.
Unlike RI and TJC, NYJC does not have any IP pupils.
Thus, working with different pointers may still result in both good and poor impacts or influences.
It does not necessarily imply that the lower the pointers one works with, the better it is for him.
I have heard of cases in RI of what you have mentioned. It is true, also in HCI and NJC.
IP students are generally trained for A levels, from year 1. Students from JAE are more experienced in terms of examination skills (time management, writing skills, formats, etc). I am sure many schools in the Express Stream have sufficient projects across subjects to allow the students to work on as a team. In fact from Secondary 1 to 4, lets give an average of 4 projects (be it big or small) in 1 semester, that will be about 28 (because for the 2nd semester of Sec 4, I presume students will be preparing for their O's instead of doing projects). Do you think it is sufficient to give the JAE students adequate skills in doing projects? In fact, I don't think there will be much of a difference between an IP and JAE students in terms of project skills, even though I must agree that an IP student has advantage.
There is an article which you may be interested in http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/s ... d-problems
NYJC has no IP students though there are a few dropouts of IP (probably the system) who did well in O levels and managed to enter NYJC. The advantage of accepting solely JAE students (ignoring DSA students) is that the students see something common in themselves. They have fought hard in the battlefield of O levels. Some have worked tirelessly throughout the nights during the O level period. So since they see themselves as one, they may have a common goal - which is to do extremely well in the A levels together.
I have heard of discrimination cases of IP and JAE students when the former think they are more superior than the latter. Some even went to the extent to cyber bully, making their JC life miserable. Furthermore, these IP students may have formed cliques. It is generally tougher for a JAE student to mix with an IP student. However, I have heard that many eventually were able to form life long friends albeit the fact that a JC has a lifespan of 2 years, provided that one does not retain.
I agree that working with different pointers may still result in both good and poor impacts or influences. However, do think it in terms of the majority. I am sure that in a JC, most students work hard and play a lot lesser as they had been in secondary school. -
25HMOM:
If KTKS hadn't pointed out this fact, MJC's image would have been tarnished by you, mindays!! :evil: :evil:
I do not have any idea that retention rate for any JC can be above 20%. :yikes: It is not allowed by MOE.KTKS:
[quote=\"mindays\"]
Do not forget that about 20-30% of MJC cohort retains yearly. MJC is well-know to be a school that has the highest retain rate. So 9 students out of 10 from MJC made it to local University, but 2-3 out of 10 took 3 years to do it. Do you not think the extra year of JC curriculum play a role for that \"on-par\" results?
Since 9 out of 10 is kind of vague, we do not know the actual discrete numbers. However, I must agree with you that the results are pretty good
Please show the link where you get this figure from.
I remember there was an MOE release report about retention rate of JC pupils and there were 2 unnamed JCs that had consistently 15% retention rate for 3 years and that was the highest possible. It can't be 2-3 out of 10 took 3 years to complete his A level and eligible for local university in any JC. The 2 JCs may not be referring to MJC too as it wasn't officially announced. It may be referring to NYJC or others, unless we have concrete proof. :nailbite:
Preach what you believe by getting your facts right before posting on a forum.[/quote]As the saying goes, to err is human. I made a mistake, I pointed it out. I did not deviate it or argue about it. I admitted and apologised. I am responsible to correct any misunderstanding.
To give an example,
\"If we didn't get it right, I'm sorry. But we will try better the next time.\"
It was an apology that Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong saw fit to repeat twice on Tuesday during the People's Action Party (PAP) first lunchtime rally at Boat Quay next to UOB Plaza.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singapo ... 50327.html
Everyone makes mistakes but not everyone admits in a responsible manner. Mistakes are necessary for improvements. Only through mistakes can we then learn. I may have mixed up the percentages and hence that error.
However it is unethical and not cyber friendly to flame a person who made a mistake. One should be accepting of another's mistake (something that I have learnt). It is definitely not heartening to put evil simlies to assume my purpose.
In fact, I see MJC as a good JC that is able to produce high quality results. Percentage of Students Eligible for University: 99%. What I am trying to say is that MJC had a high retention rate in 2012 -2013. It is well-known. -
25HMOM:
Would you have thought of \"Students can easily create multiple accounts and try all ways to downplay any JCs that they dislike\" if it hasn't crossed your mind to do the same? :idea: I observed that many forummers here are 'old' members whereas you are the 'newest'. Are you one of those with multiple accounts?[/quote]I am certainly not. As I have said, I have always browsed KSP without an account.
Blurblob11, thank you for recognising that I am not from NYJC. I do not see how my posts can lead you to thinking that I am boasting about NYJC in an offensive manner. Which post did you refer to? I do not see the need to boast in a forum because parents will have done their due research and HW on the respective colleges. I share information which may seem to be a sort of \"boast\" to you. Truth to be told, I used hedging in all my posts. I am careful not to generalise. I have to reiterate that I am not here to bring up NYJC or pull down the rest. I justify for ALL JCs. This brings me to a heavily sought-after question.mindays:
[quote=\"blurblob11\"]Mindays, since you have insisted that you are not from NYJC and has no direct interest in this college, I suggest you stopped boasting about it in a rather offensive manner as it is tarnishing my good impression of NYJC.
Thank you and please accept my apology for being frank.
Q: Why did you come to KSP?
A: I couldn't tolerate how parents or students :xedfingers: who do not know NYJC well enough come to this thread and post false information or perception. As such, there is a need for me to voice out my thoughts. I am not here to create a ruckus because it is time consuming and mentally draining. I do have work to do after all. I have noticed the quality of KSP forum has also dwindled these months. Students can easily create multiple accounts and try all ways to downplay any JCs that they dislike. Hopefully the administrators can do something about it.
That crossed my mind because I received a PM from a kind hearted forumner to beware of certain forumners in KSP that may be of the same person. They use different accounts to illustrate their stand. Chief Kiasu can check my PM to show my credibility. But, I will not reveal the forumner's name as it would be infringing his/her privacy. Do you have multiple accounts? :idea: -
candyfan:
While this is true to a certain extent, we are all aware that neighbourhood schools' pupils are mainly offered 7 subjects instead of the standard 8 subjects. Some of them have even dropped a further subject or have combined 2 science subjects in order to cope better, leaving them with 6 subjects. Instead of getting 7-8 distinctions in O levels as what mindays mentioned, they could be getting 6 distinctions. Although it is still impressive but that is a result of being able to concentrate on fewer O level subjects. These pupils will prefer NYJC as it is flexible with its subject combinations. The fewer O level subjects that one takes, the more difficult it is to choose the 'normal' subject combinations that most JCs offer.[/quote]That is not true. Since these neighbourhood schools' pupils are the 'elites' of their school, they will 99% belong to the top class in their school. Top classes in neighbourhood secondary schools generally offer 8 subjects, and some even 9. The Science subjects (Pure Physics, Pure Chemistry, Pure Biology) are also pure and not combined. I am sure that Pure Science always complement with 8 subjects. So far, I have not heard of any students taking combined science being able to take 8 subjects (excluding HCL). You may want to check it out if you doubt or check with the veterans in the Sec School forum in KSP.
While what you say is true, bear in mind the students from these neighbourhood sec schools comprise of the top students there. It's like a gathering of talents from 80+ schools. Imagine most of them getting 7-8 distinctions in O level, the students there are ppl with distinctionsmindays:
[quote=\"blurblob11\"]
I do not think this information plays an important role in this discussion as students are admitted into JCs based on merits. There are many who thrive in secondary schools despite getting poor PSLE results.
For NYJC, students are from more than 80 different secondary schools. Thus there are many students from neighbourhood secondary schools in NYJC too.
I do agree that there may be students who take combined science in O levels and did well overall to qualify for NYJC. However, it really comprises the minority. I believe the majority of these 6 or 7 pointers or below took Pure Science in secondary schools.
Besides, many of those who choose to take combined science in Secondary School aim for a Polytechnic instead of a JC. I am sure that the students are aware that it is harder for a student with just combined science knowledge to cope a H2 Science subject in JC as compared to a student with pure science knowledge.
Besides, students in Sec Schools who take more Humanities subjects will more likely end up in the Arts Stream should they choose to go to a JC.
I said most of them got 7-8 distinctions. I didn't say all of them achieved 7-8 distinctions.
I must agree that there are a handful of them who got 6 distinctions. This will amount to those who did not get 7-8 distinctions.
The flexible subject combinations allow students in NY to do what they like and probably excel in. They find interest in what they study
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