* Nanyang JC (NYJC)
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mindays:
Someone posted 2015 A level results with nyjc having only 31% of pupils obtaining 3H2 distinctions as compared to dhs of 39.5%. How are they comparable, mindays?
Nanyang JC is in fact comparable to IP JCs such as Temasek JC, RVHS and probably Dunman High. I am very sure based on the latest A level results, NYJC definitely wins TJC in terms of academics. NYJC improves annually, if you do realise.
Your statement on nyjc 'winning' tjc academically based on latest A level results has no basis as well. It's merely your perception.
I would feel more attached to nyjc if you could stop overrating its achievements and being so competitive. -
Thank you isetan and mindays for giving your opinion on whether we should give nyjc a shot .
May I know what is the real culture of the school ? Are students very results oriented to the extent that peer competition becomes stressful and students become selfish ? I understand that there will be competition , but I would like to know the extent of it . I would also like to know about the cons of this school ( I keep hearing the pros so I would like to know the other side of it ) . Wouldn't want dd to manage to get in but end up finding it too stressful or hard to adept .
I would also like to know if she wants to take 2 arts 2 sciences is it considered under arts or science ? -
mindays:
Do not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC.
I am amazed at how you can simply link high attendance at open houses -> higher popularity -> \"leaders of the JC tier\"
Workers Party has thousands of people attending their election rallies. Did it translat e to more people casting their votes for them ? In fact, they performed rather badly. High attendance does not translate to high achievement. Your correlation is grossly flawed.
Let me cite you another example. Go visit the car showrooms on weekends.There will be many more people visiting the Toyata showroom than the Lexus', simply because Toyotas are much cheaper than Lexus. It does not imply that the quality of Toyota cars are better than Lexus. Toyotas are more popular because they are cheaper, not better.
Similarly, more may visit NYJC because there are more students with higher COP who would think that they stand a better chance in getting into the college than getting into a IP JC. It certainly does not mean that the IP JCs are inferior, you know.
You also claim that NYJC is the leader of the tier. Can you elaborate with evidence how is she better than DHS, RV the IP jcs? -
stetan:
Just to prove NY's sustainability, it has been awarded by MOE for its sustained value added award in the A levels. This proves the consistency and credibility in NY's A level results since 2007.
If you have read my post properly, you would have realise that I ended my sentence with a question mark (?). I did not categorically state that SRJC COP has dropped but indicated that it was a possibility. So really, there is nothing for you to correct. It is entirely erroneous of you to assume that once a principal left, the effects must be felt immediately in the next fiscal year. Sometimes, the drop may be gradual over successive years. Even if Trump wants to repeal all that Obama has done, he could not possibly do it immediately, isn't it ? As I have indicated previously, sustained achievement will be the barometer to see if a JC is a one time fluke or not. Lets take a look at the COP of SRJC and NYJC in 2017 and 2018 before we jump the gun.mindays:
Just to correct you, SRJC's COP did not worsen even after the principal left. The ex-SRJC principal left in 2015 (COP of 2014 was the most relevant to be referred to). The COP was 11 for science and 12 for arts. Based on the latest COP of SRJC (2016), the COP is 11 for both courses. These facts cannot be denied. One reason could be that the organisation structure of SR was so strong that even though the principal has left, SR maintained its strength, and improved in its COP for the arts stream. If SR can remain so strong, it is without doubt NY can too, and even withstand stronger. .mindays:
Well, you can compare NYJC to anything you one, even the SUN if you must. Nobody is stopping you. Nobody will even blink an eye if you think that peanut jelly is the best food you have ever eatenDo not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC. (Please don't compare EJC and RJC/HCI, it's too much of an uncalled comparison. HCI and RJ are a lot more better than Eunoia, in terms of its opportunities and even PSLE Results when they enter the school). .
And I have never compared EJC to RI/HCI. I only refuted your erroneous analysis about 6% dropout rate for IP students when you cited these schools examples. RI/RJC is my alma mater. It does me no glory to put RI/RJC down. mindays:
So you represent the majority ? :rotflmao: I do not disagree that seniors \"may\" be a bonus, I dunno since both me and jetsetter managed perfectly well without. As I have said repeatedly, Top students can survive perfectly well without them. Would you care to elaborate in detail what have seniors done to make you achieve super stellar results, other than just accompanying you back home ?You have expressed your opinion on the importance of seniors. That is what you claim, but is that what the majority thinks it is? I doubt so. During my time in VJ, I enjoyed my sessions with the seniors, not just about studying but also sports, CCAs, etc. I even walked back home with my seniors during that time, (we were not very rich at that time). Students of this MODERN era may have their own perceptions on the importance of the support one can get from seniors. I will say that it is really important to have seniors in school, and you can treat it as an added bonus. I do agree with you that having seniors may not be a necessity, but having seniors is really a GREAT bonus that I will look forward to. .
Everybody has their opinions on matters. Though some may have far fetched perceptions, I believe there must be certain truths among them. You claim that you are from RJ, I respect that. No one wants to bring down their own alma mater, just like how I treat VJ too. I can understand that.
Alright, to me, VJ was quite successful back then in the 80s and 90s, we even beat RJ in the A level results and was crowned as the top JC then. That was because of the strong culture that VJ has in which the seniors had programmes with the juniors. I still remembered the times I had with my seniors, some of them are really successful now and I do stay in contact with them till date. Abstract things like long lasting friendships and even questions about work life when I finished my JC could be directed to the seniors. VJ has a friendly environment with many superb seniors. -
EthanEthan:
I don't think I am wrong when I state the difference btw 24X and 25X with 25X and 26X. I have statistic knowledge and let me express myself in this analogy, hoping that you do not get misunderstood.
You seemed to be confused and not coherent in your thinking. You said a 25X vs 26X is a great difference so cannot compare EJC to RI/HCI.mindays:
There's a stark difference between IP JCs as well, 25X vs 26X and my point is that EJC is definitely not on par with RJ or HCI, so don't compare the standards between them. In fact, it will be similar to RVHS (256-282), if not even one rank below RV.
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Yet in a later post, you said 24X (NYJC) and 25X(EJC) is no diiference and can be compared since it is a mere 10 marks
Please do make up your mind which is which. Or are you so blinded by your love for a certain college that you cannot think objectively and rationally?
I understand that you are using absolute numbers, 10, to compare, but I think it is myopic to just use absolute numbers. Will you disagree with me if I say it is harder to get 90 marks from 80 marks and it is relatively easier to get a 80 marks from 70 marks? Same, the difference may be 10 marks, but everyone knows that it is tougher to improve as you get higher marks. I hope this helps.
So, the difference between 24X and 25X is definitely not as significant as the difference between 25X and 26X.
About being rational, I do take note of facts when I write a post. Am I objective and rational, or are you trying to find fault with people? But it is alright, people do have statistic blindness after all because it is through these misunderstanding that people fall to fallacies. -
Pen88n:
Exactly, if you have noticed, I do give suggestions and help if they need. However, take a look at how EJC and even DHS (though I don't know how it even appear in NYJC thread) being mentioned in NYJC thread. I am bizarre as well. I do believe in individual performance and not be blinded as how the school performs, because in rational sense, the school doesn't represent the individual but it is the individual that represents the school.
If you are not aware, DHS results are more in the league or VJC or NJC (see link). Please at least check or show evidence of NYJC results being \"comparable\" before declaring in an open forum and undermining your own credibility.mindays:
Nanyang JC is in fact comparable to IP JCs such as Temasek JC, RVHS and probably Dunman High. I am very sure based on the latest A level results, NYJC definitely wins TJC in terms of academics. NYJC improves annually, if you do realise.
http://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/website/event/2015-gce-a-level-results/index.html
In all sensibility, is it really necessary to compare in such manner? Does it really matter if the JC rank a notch higher or lower? Ultimately it is the student's effort and A level results that matters. I am a simple person so to my simple mind: where the JC stand or its A level results doesn't matter to me. What matters more is my kids' A Level results!!!
I just hope this mindless comparison and harping can stop and this NYJC thread can be put to better use for parent and student networking instead. It will be such a shame that those interested in NYJC or have queries felt over-shadowed by such discussion and avoid this thread.
Just to clarify, I went to the open houses of NYJC, TJC and EJC, and I did ask the staff for their A levels results (except EJC). That's how I know more about them and I am certainly not making mindless remarks, though I think I should have put my points across clearly. That's why from the beginning, I did say that it is difficult to compare A levels results, mainly because of the lack of figures available. But, I have tried my best in certain ways, and it is up to individual to believe.
I shall put to a halt to continue the discussion without any links to NYJC. I just pity NYJC being thrashed by forumners who do not have facts to prove their points but only perceptions and opinions, even bringing in EJC that is irrelevant to NYJC. I wonder what will happen if I do not exist in this forum, NYJC would have been badly ruined by these people. I feel that it is my duty (even if I was from VJ), to at least prove facts about NYJC, but I feel that I shouldn't put too much of my time in, because after all I do have my work to do. -
candyfan:
I rest my case should you doubt my credibility that I was from VJ. Just that you know, I graduated from Anglican High and proceeded to VJ, met many seniors who are always ready to lend a helping hand to me when I was just an ignorant J1. Together, our results were stellar enough to be crowned as the top JC then, because of the seniors too, even though VJ was quite a new JC then, even newer than Temasek JC which is in the Bedok area.
Ejc has its big 3 ip cohorts. Do they have to attend OH? Does this explain why the crowd over at nyjc seems larger? It depends on the time you visited the 2 jcs too.mindays:
Do not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC. (Please don't compare EJC and RJC/HCI, it's too much of an uncalled comparison. HCI and RJ are a lot more better than Eunoia, in terms of its opportunities and even PSLE Results when they enter the school).
You have expressed your opinion on the importance of seniors. That is what you claim, but is that what the majority thinks it is? I doubt so. During my time in VJ, I enjoyed my sessions with the seniors, not just about studying but also sports, CCAs, etc. I even walked back home with my seniors during that time, (we were not very rich at that time). Students of this MODERN era may have their own perceptions on the importance of the support one can get from seniors. I will say that it is really important to have seniors in school, and you can treat it as an added bonus. I do agree with you that having seniors may not be a necessity, but having seniors is really a GREAT bonus that I will look forward to.
That's the unique part of NYJC. You may think that JC's school environment is hectic where everybody is scrambling to do their best, that is essentially true. Seniors in NYJC are very friendly in general and are willing to go the extra mile to help its peers. That's the culture of care in NY, which is so different from other JCs. NYJC is well-known for its culture of care and is well established on this aspect.
My niece graduated from nyjc last year. I haven't heard anything about any senior lending a helping hand to her or her peers. I have friends' DCs currently attending nyjc too. I haven't heard about this special culture of care happening either.
Perhaps it depends on individual's experience so you shouldn't generalise it.
It will be deceptive if you post something you aren't sure of.
It seems like you are hard selling nyjc too. It will be more convincing if you would admit your DC is studying in this jc instead of quoting yourself as a former vjc student. I was from vj. Please don't tarnish its image with your dubious personality. TIA.
I mean, it is perfectly fine if you don't choose to believe me, but it brings me no glory to put my own school down. -
candyfan:
To reiterate myself again, I went to the open houses of both JCs, and I come to know that TJ's PW results of 2015 is only about 20+% A. It was shocking! You can ask other forumners to prove. NY has about twice of TJ's distinction rates for PW.
Someone posted 2015 A level results with nyjc having only 31% of pupils obtaining 3H2 distinctions as compared to dhs of 39.5%. How are they comparable, mindays?mindays:
Nanyang JC is in fact comparable to IP JCs such as Temasek JC, RVHS and probably Dunman High. I am very sure based on the latest A level results, NYJC definitely wins TJC in terms of academics. NYJC improves annually, if you do realise.
Your statement on nyjc 'winning' tjc academically based on latest A level results has no basis as well. It's merely your perception.
I would feel more attached to nyjc if you could stop overrating its achievements and being so competitive.
TJ's eligibility of local university admission is about 96%. NY's eligibility of local university admission is 100%.
Take note, I mean ELIGIBILITY, I don't mean 96 or 100% respectively proceeded with local U, because some of them may proceed on to overseas university. I got these data from the 2017 open house. If you doubt, you can always ask the colleges and prove me wrong. I take the effort to find out and the last thing I would want to receive is dubious reply to me. It is simply hurting.
I am not trying to sell NY because I don't see any benefits for it. I am speaking up for NY because I see forumners trying to downplay NYJC, using EJC and even perceptions. Why don't you say something about them? Or birds of the same feather flock together?
IF I do not exist, I wonder how NY is wrongly addressed by these forumners. -
A better tomorrow:
The real culture of the school is really centered on the culture of care and learning, evident from the school's support and even the numbers of tables and benches college-wide for its students. NYJCians from what I know, isn't very much stressed or selfish, but on the contrary, they are happy students, you can check and ask around. For hybrid courses, I did ask during the open house, and they said that putting Arts Stream in NY is eligible for hybrid courses.Thank you isetan and mindays for giving your opinion on whether we should give nyjc a shot .
May I know what is the real culture of the school ? Are students very results oriented to the extent that peer competition becomes stressful and students become selfish ? I understand that there will be competition , but I would like to know the extent of it . I would also like to know about the cons of this school ( I keep hearing the pros so I would like to know the other side of it ) . Wouldn't want dd to manage to get in but end up finding it too stressful or hard to adept .
I would also like to know if she wants to take 2 arts 2 sciences is it considered under arts or science ?
The cons in NYJC would probably be too much of a Chinese culture? because essentially, NY is a Chinese school like Hwa Chong. Another con would be the low COP of NY. The COP for NY is getting more stringent over the years and many may find it tougher to get a place into NY because of the improvement of COP. If others have any opinions on NY, feel free to input, because I really cannot find other cons associated with NYJC already. -
thsheng99:
I hope you are not misunderstood because I said NYJC is the leader of the tier, in this case, the non-IP JCs. I think it is irrelevant to bring in these IP JCs simply because of the difference in tier.mindays:
Do not see NY as Lecister. Allow me to introduce you to a new perspective, see NY as Manchester City, it has potential and is definitely worthy enough to be among the top. Just look at NY's popularity. I went for both EJC and NYJCs' open houses over these 2 days, NYJC is definitely more crowded, more lively, more vibrant. Students can tell for their own. Moreover, NYJC is the top non-IP JC in Singapore. To me, I see NYJC as a leader of this tier, and I don't see why it cannot be comparable to lower league IP JCs among its tier like Temasek JC or even the new Eunoia JC.
I am amazed at how you can simply link high attendance at open houses -> higher popularity -> \"leaders of the JC tier\"
Workers Party has thousands of people attending their election rallies. Did it translat e to more people casting their votes for them ? In fact, they performed rather badly. High attendance does not translate to high achievement. Your correlation is grossly flawed.
Let me cite you another example. Go visit the car showrooms on weekends.There will be many more people visiting the Toyata showroom than the Lexus', simply because Toyotas are much cheaper than Lexus. It does not imply that the quality of Toyota cars are better than Lexus. Toyotas are more popular because they are cheaper, not better.
Similarly, more may visit NYJC because there are more students with higher COP who would think that they stand a better chance in getting into the college than getting into a IP JC. It certainly does not mean that the IP JCs are inferior, you know.
You also claim that NYJC is the leader of the tier. Can you elaborate with evidence how is she better than DHS, RV the IP jcs?
I hope you do not misunderstand my intentions and you can read all the posts before coming up with an erroneous reply. I did not translate popularity with how good a JC is, I was stating a FACT that the magnitude of people in NY's open house was larger than EJ's. That's all. Just to inform you regarding cars, in the tier of higher end cars, Rolls Royce are highly talked about and they are indeed good. Maserati is another famous and popular brand, and its performance is superb as well.
Moreover, I didn't claim that IP JCs are weak. In fact, I said that NYJC is COMPARABLE to IP JCs such as TJC, RVHS etc
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