Networking Group - JCs General

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ilovelaksa:

slmkhoo:

[quote=\"zbear\"]With all the discussions about IP JCs/MI, IP students vs JAE students make me wonder


- how do the non IP JCs fare in their A level results?

- Will JAE students be better off in non IP JCs?

- Can JAE students perform equally well as IP students in IP JCs?

:?

When students go to JC, it's pretty much starting on a clean slate. I don't think the \"IP or JAE\" distinction makes much difference between students when they face the A level curriculum - the main differences are the innate ones, eg. ability, motivation, diligence, etc. Not all IP students are the same, and not all JAE students are uniform either. What school they were in in the past 4 yrs is not really significant. Whether a student is better off in one JC vs another really depends on the \"fit\" between their learning styles, school culture, need for (or aversion to) competition etc. Some JCs may be very competitive, and not all will thrive in that culture; others may be more relaxed, and some may not do well in that culture. There are many students from non-IP JCs who get straight As, but since there is a general preference of higher-achieving students to flock to certain IP JCs, you would expect a higher proportion to get high grades in those JCs. My daughter's JAE classmates are doing better than many IP students in her IP JC, but I expect that there are also other JAE students who are doing worse than some of the IP students. What does that say about anything? The important thing is to find the best fit for each student rather than make choices based on over-broad classifications like IP/JAE (students) or IP/non-IP (JCs).

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The JAEs are doing v v well in VJC. They are a smart and super-motivated bunch. They tend to take tests/exams more seriously too. I think my son is more stressed by them than his IP cohort : )
The JAEs have no problem assimilating in VJC as they are a much larger group than the IPs. Actually, they dont see each other as IP/JAEs.
Once you are in Victoria and don the uniform, you are a Victorian, no one cares whc sec sch you come from.[/quote]Good to know that VJ's batch is well Nil Sine Labore!

[zbear]

slmkhoo:

When students go to JC, it's pretty much starting on a clean slate. I don't think the \"IP or JAE\" distinction makes much difference between students when they face the A level curriculum - the main differences are the innate ones, eg. ability, motivation, diligence, etc. Not all IP students are the same, and not all JAE students are uniform either. What school they were in in the past 4 yrs is not really significant. Whether a student is better off in one JC vs another really depends on the \"fit\" between their learning styles, school culture, need for (or aversion to) competition etc. Some JCs may be very competitive, and not all will thrive in that culture; others may be more relaxed, and some may not do well in that culture. There are many students from non-IP JCs who get straight As, but since there is a general preference of higher-achieving students to flock to certain IP JCs, you would expect a higher proportion to get high grades in those JCs. My daughter's JAE classmates are doing better than many IP students in her IP JC, but I expect that there are also other JAE students who are doing worse than some of the IP students. What does that say about anything? The important thing is to find the best fit for each student rather than make choices based on over-broad classifications like IP/JAE (students) or IP/non-IP (JCs).

Thanks Slmkhoo for your analysis. I agree with u on the whole except for the first part - students who go to a IP JC do not necessarily start on a clean slate. There is a difference between students in facing the A level circulum. I do not wish to go into a detailed discussion on this but based on what I have seen in my DS case, it doesn't work in this way.

Certainly there will be a mix - some JAE students do better and some worst than IP students but it will be interesting to note what is the % of those who do better and those who do worst. But we will never know as schools do not reveal such info.

I am prompted to ask becos I see discussions veering towards IP students.

Anyway thanks for responding to my queries.

[sharonkhoo]

zbear:

Thanks Slmkhoo for your analysis. I agree with u on the whole except for the first part - students who go to a IP JC do not necessarily start on a clean slate. There is a difference between students in facing the A level circulum. I do not wish to go into a detailed discussion on this but based on what I have seen in my DS case, it doesn't work in this way.

Surely the JC1 teachers take this into account? If not, they should be reminded to.

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zbear:

With all the discussions about IP JCs/MI, IP students vs JAE students make me wonder


- how do the non IP JCs fare in their A level results?

- Will JAE students be better off in non IP JCs?

- Can JAE students perform equally well as IP students in IP JCs?

:?

Incidentally, I was talking to an ex-IPJC lecturer/tutor and I asked her the question:

Who are usually the ones at the bottom of the cohort at A levels in terms of results ie. the IP or JAE students?

Surprisingly, she said it's the IP students. Her reason: IP students go in via PSLE results and along the way, for some reason, they may not be suitable for the school, especially at JC level, be it culture, curriculum or other things I have no idea about.

The JAE students enter the IPJC using their O levels results which require them to get 2 or 3 points for entry. They are the cream of the crop, so naturally, they tend to do well at A levels as well.

She also mentioned that at the beginning stage of JC1, JAE students tend to do better as they are more exam-smart, but after the transition period, there is no difference in the performance between the IP and JAE students generally.

I am no expert in the topic. Just happened to chance upon this post and thought I could share what was shared with me.

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rains:

Incidentally, I was talking to an ex-IPJC lecturer/tutor and I asked her the question:

Who are usually the ones at the bottom of the cohort at A levels in terms of results ie. the IP or JAE students?

Surprisingly, she said it's the IP students. Her reason: IP students go in via PSLE results and along the way, for some reason, they may not be suitable for the school, especially at JC level, be it culture, curriculum or other things I have no idea about.

The JAE students enter the IPJC using their O levels results which require them to get 2 or 3 points for entry. They are the cream of the crop, so naturally, they tend to do well at A levels as well.

She also mentioned that at the beginning stage of JC1, JAE students tend to do better as they are more exam-smart, but after the transition period, there is no difference in the performance between the IP and JAE students generally.

I am no expert in the topic. Just happened to chance upon this post and thought I could share what was shared with me.

So true.

I have personally come across an ex-GEP student from a top primary school, DSA-ed into top a IP school, scored 26x for PSLE and yet could not qualify for local U after A levels. According to a reliable expert, this student's H2 grades were amongst the bottom 15% of the cohort. Studying overseas for a degree now.

It could be a rare exception but it does happen.

[jtoh]

It’s tempting to over-generalise the IP population and the JAE population. They are all individuals and some do better than others. One thing the schools do point out though is that for students who don’t do well, it is more than likely to do with other circumstances, such as emotional issues, or problems at home or elsewhere etc leading to them not being able to perform to the best of their ability in the A levels.


Each student is unique and a statistic is just that, a statistic. So what if the stats say that 60% of that JC’s population scores 4As and above. My kid could just be that other 40%.

[sharonkhoo]

I don’t think its surprising that some IP students may not do well at A levels. After all, it’s a whole 6 yrs and many changes between PSLE and A levels!