Networking Group - JCs General

[floppy]

All roads lead to Rome.


Some longer, some shorter. I never understand why people insist that there is only one correct path.

[sharonkhoo]

floppy:

All roads lead to Rome.


Some longer, some shorter. I never understand why people insist that there is only one correct path.

And not everyone wants to go to Rome!

[mum_sugoku]

floppy:

zbear:

My interpretation of MOE's move is a signal to O level students who score more than 10 pointers to choose Poly route instead of JC as I see that the partnership of the merged JCs - low tier JC stops intake n gets absorbed into mid tier JC.


Eventually those who score more than 10 points will have a lesser choice of JCs and more Polys to choose.

Yes, could well be the case.

However, it's not really a case of low tier JCs being absorbed into mid tier JCs given that the only mid tier JC is AJC (in the headline). The rest are the 7 JCs with the worst off COP.

More likely, 'merging' is just a more diplomatic term for 'closing down' (those JCs with the poorest COP).

Cos if you look at the manner they do the 'merging', it's those with poorer COP being absorbed into another with better COP; doesn't matter if the campus is newer (Innova/SRJC newer than YJC/AJC), or more conveniently located (TPJC is next to an upcoming mrt station but absorbed into nowhere-near-mrt-station's MJC).

[mum_sugoku]

stetan:

slmkhoo:

[quote=\"stetan\"]None of the 5 polys is being merged. I guess they are channeling the lower ability students to polys.

I think it's the other way round - based on what I see/hear among many of the averagely-performing students I know, quite a large proportion prefer to choose poly rather than JC, which would seem to indicate that JCs are falling in popularity. There are students who know that the poly style of more hands-on education is not for them, and those who prefer the depth of A levels/IB and are sure they will go on to university, but I think quite a lot are attracted to polys. Polys give the option of a clearly work-ready diploma plus the possibility of continuing to university; A levels, if the student doesn't go on to university, aren't so useful in landing a job.

A good post i read in another forum:

Another factor to consider is that thanks to poly's marketing, now it's a rather attractive option for youngsters. They are in that stage where \"wah, I don't want JC, go poly, get hands on experience, no need wear uniform.\"

Then if their GPA CMI, they realize that most of our local unis don't want them and their 2+ GPA and regret. You need almost perfect GPA from poly to go to our local U. Still much harder to go U via poly route

Also, another reason could be that because of the perceived difficulty of A levels, those with L1R5 scores of 15-20 may not want to enter a JC since they feel they are not capable of scoring for the A levels also contributing to falling enrollment in the lower tier JC's.[/quote]Don't quite agree. I believe those who qualify (comfortably) for JC but choose to go poly, chance is, they'll quality for local U - via poly route- subsequently; either directly after poly (+NS for boys), or after working for a couple of years.

At least that's the case for all the friends/relatives I know of.

[sharonkhoo]

mum_sugoku:

Cos if you look at the manner they do the 'merging', it's those with poorer COP being absorbed into another with better COP; doesn't matter if the campus is newer (Innova/SRJC newer than YJC/AJC), or more conveniently located (TPJC is next to an upcoming mrt station but absorbed into nowhere-near-mrt-station's MJC).

Perhaps rather than look at it as MOE closing the JCs which take in weaker students, we can look at it as MOE reducing the no. of less popular JCs? It ends up being pretty much the same thing, but it becomes a \"managing resources\" decision rather than a \"discriminating against weaker students\" decision. And I'm pretty sure that they will sweeten the deal by improving or increasing facilities at the merged JCs.

[mum_sugoku]

slmkhoo:

mum_sugoku:

Cos if you look at the manner they do the 'merging', it's those with poorer COP being absorbed into another with better COP; doesn't matter if the campus is newer (Innova/SRJC newer than YJC/AJC), or more conveniently located (TPJC is next to an upcoming mrt station but absorbed into nowhere-near-mrt-station's MJC).

Perhaps rather than look at it as MOE closing the JCs which take in weaker students, we can look at it as MOE reducing the no. of less popular JCs? It ends up being pretty much the same thing, but it becomes a \"managing resources\" decision rather than a \"discriminating against weaker students\" decision. And I'm pretty sure that they will sweeten the deal by improving or increasing facilities at the merged JCs.

Ya, that's how I feel too.

[zbear]

floppy:

All roads lead to Rome.


Some longer, some shorter. I never understand why people insist that there is only one correct path.

J

In this fast moving society, many are impatient n prefer shortest route if possible. The fear of being left behind too is a great concern of parents who are just average or below average incom earners.

But of course, in KSP, I see many above average parents so $$$$ is not a really a big concern. No offense - I am just stating what I read on this forum.

PS - I think I better put up my armour now!!!!!

[Sieg]

jetsetter:

You rather have the whole job market flooded with many uni grads?

Don't see it as being elitist. Poly grads can still rejoin the uni pathway. This alternative is actually better for certain groups of kids who find it tough to pass GP and/or MT. 勉强读A水准是没有幸福的！

I believe many sgp parents who have kids with L1R5 up to 20 (which should translate to top 25% in the cohort?) dream of them holding degrees. If you were a low-income earner, you'd wish your kids can break your family's poverty cycle. If you were a graduate, you'd want your kids to be at least at par with you in terms of qualification. Holding a degree is also a form of self-actualization apart for practical reasons. If you have the confidence to succeed, you won't stop pursuing a degree just so that the job market won't be flooded with grads.

Besides the shorter route for JC, cost is also a factor. JC fees will cost approx $30 x 2yrs = $720 while poly will cost approx $2700 x 3 yrs = $8100. If one could reach the same uni pathway eventually, it's a lot of savings on time and cost to choose JC.

Someone posted in a forum that the 2015 cohort of IJC had achieved 93% pass in GP. It may not be as 'mianqiang' as you think but rather these students in lower tier JC are pinning hopes for themselves.

[mindays]

stetan:

It looks like MOE is thinking that post secondary education is mostly via the IP route - RI HCI NJC VJC EJC TJC DHS RVHS ACSI SJI - going back 1 full round to the times where Pre U is integrated with the more elite sec schools. Lesser performing non IP JCs will be slowly closing down?


None of the 5 polys is being merged. I guess they are channeling the lower ability students to polys.

Also, i think they should just merge HC with NJC since they are just directly opp each other. Why have 2 JC at the same site?

I guess HC and NJ have very different cultures? HC is more centred on the Chinese side while NJ is more English speaking? I also think the merger of HC and NJ can be highly considered because it also eliminates people's perception that only the underperformed JCs get to merge.

[mindays]

Imp75:

floppy:

[quote=\"zbear\"]My interpretation of MOE's move is a signal to O level students who score more than 10 pointers to choose Poly route instead of JC as I see that the partnership of the merged JCs - low tier JC stops intake n gets absorbed into mid tier JC.


Eventually those who score more than 10 points will have a lesser choice of JCs and more Polys to choose.

Yes, could well be the case.

However, it's not really a case of low tier JCs being absorbed into mid tier JCs given that the only mid tier JC is AJC (in the headline). The rest are the 7 JCs with the worst off COP.

Anyone wonder why do they touch AJC and not some other JCs like CJC,NYJC, ACJC. Is it b/c of affiliation and therefore more uproar? I just felt AJC got short-changed....[/quote]\"MOE said government-aided schools, which have a degree of autonomy over the programmes they offer, are different legal entities with different governance frameworks, and this would complicate the merger process.\" http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/ri-and-other-jcs-may-take-in-more-students-next-year

Also, SAJC, ACJC, CJC are mission schools. NYJC has a strong School Management Committee (SMC), tying in with the Chung Cheng High Schools http://nanyangjc.moe.edu.sg/about-nyjc/our-school-management-committee-smc http://chungchenghighmain.moe.edu.sg/about-cchms/school-management-committee