Networking Group - JCs General
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zbear:
Do you have an inherent biaseness with graduates from top JCs ? Hmmmmm...
Thanks for info. Indeed every school and even families will have black sheep.
My memory is bad. So it will be good to know if someone can remember - in recent years, any black sheep/big cheaters (who made it to headline news) coming from JCs like Tampines, Serangoon, Yishun, Pioneer or any other mid/low tier JCs?
Ps - just to be fair across the board!!!
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ryanryan:
Do you have an inherent biaseness with graduates from top JCs ? Hmmmmm...
No, my 2 kids are from top JCs too.
I just enjoy being naughty n making u guys all worked up!!!!! Looks like I am succeeding!!!!
Anyway, lets have peace!!!!
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iRabbit:
I think u missed the pt nn is making. There are many factors are at play (see bold) which mould a person. It is not solely due to the sch's environment. I know yours is a tongue-in-cheek request, but there's really no pt to start an exercise shaming other schs. Won't achieve anything exempt to cloud the issue. It would only unfairly cast blame on other schools, and might unnecessarily cause offense to other people.
On a side note, I feel that as long as one learns from the mistake, we should always give people a 2nd chance. Which of us are perfect all the time?
Hmmm, firstly I regret not having a tertiary education (only to blame myself), nevertheless, I still do understand n grasp the points made here and I didn't miss out on any points, I would probably say the same to you too. I know where all of you are coming from.
This is not an exercise to shame or blame any schools. Someone mentioned that if only top schools are able to educate their strong IQ students with better EQ so that they can contribute better towards the society and I couldn't agree more.
Is it purely coincidence that top JCs have more black sheep than others? Perhaps!!!!
Students spent 16 years in schools with long hours, shouldn't the school (especially top schools who will definitely produce the country's leaders) play a part in imparting moral values so as to balance a student's outlook and contribution to society once they stepped out into the working world?
I still remember what my schools have and haven't taught me on moral education. I am sure many of you do look back at your school days and reminisces.
Anyway, there is no point going on and on, debate will never end.
Everyone is entitled to your opinion n today's exchange is indeed very enlightening. It has once again reinforced my perception of this group of strong vocal and eloquent supporters of this top JC. I am sure the silent forummers will quietly agree.
To all of you, supporters, I do apologize for any offense as it's never intended. It's purely coincident that more black sheep came from this JC.
Peace, everyone!!!!
PS - why is it that the other top JCs do not have such strong vocal supporters? Hmmm!!!
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"I just enjoy being naughty n making u guys all worked up!!! Looks like I am succeeding!!!"
wow…the assumptions, the self-congratulatory tone…if this is how a discussion is conducted in the real world, world peace will certainly be within reach. Much to learn here. Tks zbear!! Peace! -
naggo-nitemare:
I concur. Sinisterly similar to the style of the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un Kudos to world peace!\"I just enjoy being naughty n making u guys all worked up!!!!! Looks like I am succeeding!!!!\"
wow...the assumptions, the self-congratulatory tone...if this is how a discussion is conducted in the real world, world peace will certainly be within reach. Much to learn here. Tks zbear!! Peace! -
thsheng99:
I concur. Sinisterly similar to the style of the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un Kudos to world peace!naggo-nitemare:
\"I just enjoy being naughty n making u guys all worked up!!!!! Looks like I am succeeding!!!!\"
wow...the assumptions, the self-congratulatory tone...if this is how a discussion is conducted in the real world, world peace will certainly be within reach. Much to learn here. Tks zbear!! Peace!
Oh dear, can I be compared to the North Korean leader? Guess I said the wrong things. But it's an honor to be thought in that manner.
Ok, it's time to shut up n put on my armor suit and shield.
Cheerio! -
zbear:
I concur. Sinisterly similar to the style of the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un Kudos to world peace!thsheng99:
[quote=\"naggo-nitemare\"]\"I just enjoy being naughty n making u guys all worked up!!!!! Looks like I am succeeding!!!!\"
wow...the assumptions, the self-congratulatory tone...if this is how a discussion is conducted in the real world, world peace will certainly be within reach. Much to learn here. Tks zbear!! Peace!
Oh dear, can I be compared to the North Korean leader? Guess I said the wrong things. But it's an honor to be thought in that manner.
Ok, it's time to shut up n put on my armor suit and shield.
Cheerio![/quote]
I also enjoy being naughty n making u all worked up!!!!! Looks like I am as successful as you !!!!
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stetan:
That's is up to MOE and the 3 feeder school to discuss. As somebody mentioned here, there is no problem EJC to go independent like RI or HCI if they wanted. But do you really want to have another top independent college ?
Its irrelevant because if you claim you are speaking out for the welfare of the less academically inclined , then the ITE chaps would be the most disadvantaged, no ? As I remember somebody did mentioned that the JC cohort forms the top 25% of the entire same age population.Sieg:
Why irrelevant? I am comparing JC issues happening in the same timeline. .
Don't try to dodge the subject if you have nothing better to defend. You probably can't find the answer to my query too right?
All ITE students are treated as equal and not that some are told to merge due to dwindling birthrate issue while others can anticipate new modern premises for the same birthrate reason. I think our ministers have done a great job on that so far so I ain't going to touch on this.
My question is, why is your kid entitled to something better than others? Don't you feel for those affected? All because they are less exam-smart or academically-inclined so their hard work should be ignored?
Are those in top JCs guaranteed to be more work savvy, uphold better moral value, or excel in other talents in comparison?Sieg:
Dwindling, no doubt and that's why there is a need to mergeThe 4 absorbing JCs also have guaranteed cohort input..
So you agree that both EJC and the absorbing JCs have guaranteed cohort input. Then why should EJC be treated favourably in comparison? One will get new modern building while others will lose their names and a big part of heritage along with them in the same year.
What do you think of housing EJC students in the ex-SRJC premises come 2019?..
TBH, I would love to have another independent college as a taxpayer. Surely those who yearn to be in EJC but can't afford to can easily apply for financial assistance from the way you put it. Whether it will emerge top or not is for the future to tell.Sieg:
So you are in one of the affected alumni ? It's no wonder than you have such strong views[/quote]I asked if your DC is in EJC, which I have already confirmed that, as I would like to know your opinion and to put yourself in the shoes of the affected alumni.
You are wrong. I belong to the same alumni as most of our ministers' offsprings in my time. We are a humble JC without many facilities.Thus I am able to understand the plight of the average students better. My ex-JC inculcated upholding justice for everyone esp the weak, not just speaking up only if it benefited our own selfish needs.
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ryanryan:
Well, it could be due to poor planning (everyone makes mistakes) and/or pressure from the alumni of the 3 sec schs that it was set up? Remember there was a long questionable delay in the construction of EJC new building. Guessing only, mata please don't catch me.
Why biased ? Would you think that MOE would go all the way to set up an new IPJC for 3 of the best secondary schools in Singapore to let it turn out to be just a mediocre institution ? It would be plain stupidity, isn't it ?notredame:
This will be even more biased if it's really MOE's intention. :faint: It will be wiser to nurture DHS (IP), NYJC (popular among a diverse group) and the list goes on which have proven track record than to embark on a new JC with JAE COP similar to AJC. Don't take offense. Just stating facts.
DHS(IP) already have its through train students from yr 1 to yr 6. NYJC is already affliated to Chung Cheng. What are you talking about ?
Given the calibre of the students in the 3 feeder schools, would you think they will be interested to IP through-train to a mid tier college such as AJC ? Most of them would be able to qualify for higher tier JCs if they were to take the O levels, which will be a far better option then getting stuck to AJC ( no offense, just stating facts)
Since all (IP) schs are good (IP) schs, surely anyone with the right calibre can go to any existing IP sch. Why must set up EJC? So that the affiliated PSLE graduands can join the 3 sec schs as their alumni are keen to preserve their own heritage. They want their DCs to do IP in own home-ground so EJC was created lah. Not so much like MOE purposely creates EJC to specially groom them to be an elite group like what some parents here are hoping.
Don't belittle AJC. There are still a large percentage of O level track students in the 3 sec schs who can't make it to IP. Who is so sure none will go AJC/MJC/PJC/YJC? My friend said IJC/YJC got SNG/SCGS/CHS ex-students too.
Earlier, I meant if MOE is keen to intervene and nurture a new JC to be top JC, they might as well look at JCs like DHS and NYJC to groom first. Popularity is determined by the 'free market' as can see from EJC JAE cut-off point. MOE doesn't and shouldn't pick and groom any particular JC.
You are free to dream on anyway.
P/S: wah, see the way you talk like your book-smart DC is worth a million bucks whereas other peoples' DCs are like sh*+#@. I can't help but worry for our future generation if your DC has your influence and suay suay become our future leader man. -
ryanryan:
Given the list of illustrious alumni that RI have produced that have benefitted Singapore immensely, why not ?Sieg:
For what these noble people have contributed to our society, do we have to give priority and special treatment to our top students these days as they will be future leaders as well? Maybe yes. But are we doing them good by such partial treatment?
Maybe not.
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for our future generation
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