8 Junior Colleges are Merging? Rumors or Reality?
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MotherHen:
Will there be an instance where IJC is actually very popular b/c it absorbs all the 17-20 pointers, that its enrolment is much bigger than say a higher-ranked COP school? I thought COP is set by JC school prior to admission unlike sec school which sways according to the last student's COP?
7 out of the 8 JCs to be merged have the lowest COPs. Since COP is a result of demand and supply, I would take it as a reflection of popularity (and therefore enrolment) since technically the most popular JCs will be filled up first before the balance is spilled over to the next JC). AJC is \"collateral damage\", as someone has previously mentioned,Imp75:
actually the more I think about it, the more I feel MOE should explain their rationale more to the public on the merger and why these 8 JCs.
If indeed due to falling enrollment, can they show us indeed these 8 JCs or perhaps the 4 disappearing ones are indeed the ones with the lowest enrollment and therefore least popular and therefore should be merged. I think by so far they only made a sweeping statement showing overall decline in birth rate and lowered JC population along the years. Also, if indeed these 4 are the lowest enrollment, then too bad, they probably should go due to falling popularity. But if a school is spared due to affiliation reasons or \"different governance structure\", then I think it is a tad too unfair. Is it trying to say \"too many stakeholders, therefore choose the easier alternative\"? Must be fair meh....otherwise, next time, for no reason, all parents will flock to affiliated schools starting from kindergarten.... -
Imp75:
Will there be an instance where IJC is actually very popular b/c it absorbs all the 17-20 pointers, that its enrolment is much bigger than say a higher-ranked COP school? I thought COP is set by JC school prior to admission unlike sec school which sways according to the last student's COP?[/quote]You can't set a COP prior to admission given the constraint in infrastructure. Each JC can only set a max enrolment figure and then see how things go. COP will be determined by the demand.
7 out of the 8 JCs to be merged have the lowest COPs. Since COP is a result of demand and supply, I would take it as a reflection of popularity (and therefore enrolment) since technically the most popular JCs will be filled up first before the balance is spilled over to the next JC). AJC is \"collateral damage\", as someone has previously mentioned,MotherHen:
[quote=\"Imp75\"]actually the more I think about it, the more I feel MOE should explain their rationale more to the public on the merger and why these 8 JCs.
If indeed due to falling enrollment, can they show us indeed these 8 JCs or perhaps the 4 disappearing ones are indeed the ones with the lowest enrollment and therefore least popular and therefore should be merged. I think by so far they only made a sweeping statement showing overall decline in birth rate and lowered JC population along the years. Also, if indeed these 4 are the lowest enrollment, then too bad, they probably should go due to falling popularity. But if a school is spared due to affiliation reasons or \"different governance structure\", then I think it is a tad too unfair. Is it trying to say \"too many stakeholders, therefore choose the easier alternative\"? Must be fair meh....otherwise, next time, for no reason, all parents will flock to affiliated schools starting from kindergarten....
It is probable that IJC could not max its intake despite having an extremely high COP. -
Imp75:
I thought COP is set by JC school prior to admission unlike sec school which sways according to the last student's COP?
As far as I know, JC COP is also set by the quality of applicants and available spaces, not by the JC. If overnight, no-one wants to apply to those \"top\" JCs, their COP could well fall to 20. -
slmkhoo:
Not quite 20 yet, but *ahem* see TJC.Imp75:
I thought COP is set by JC school prior to admission unlike sec school which sways according to the last student's COP?
As far as I know, JC COP is also set by the quality of applicants and available spaces, not by the JC. If overnight, no-one wants to apply to those \"top\" JCs, their COP could well fall to 20. -
thanks for the explanation makes sense that the 7 JCs are chosen due to falling popularity as implied by their COP. AJC (instead of CJC) is the sacrificial lamb then? I always thought that if you have a COP of 3/4, you definitely can get into RI or HCI. So there is a possibility that you will get ousted if there are too many 3/4 pointers that particular year, same like the sec school psle cutoff where this year some girls did not get to RGS as its COP moved up from 260 to 261.
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ChiefKiasu:
I suspect MOE may have underestimated the level of unhappiness when they made this merger announcement. The sensitivities of alumni were not taken into account, and what made it worse is when the ministry attempted to explain that the mergers have nothing to do with their cut-off points. It might have been better if the ministry stuck to the message that the JCs were merged because they simply lack the critical mass to continue to operate effectively by themselves.
How to do that when no enrollment or projected enrollment numbers were published? The only way I can see enrollment numbers being a problem is if there are more places available than students who qualify for and apply for JC. Are there any figures to show that this is going to happen? By the way, technically what is the cut-off point to be able to qualify for JC anyway?
Perhaps a more honest explanation would be that out of a cohort, X% are slated for JC, Y% for Poly, Z% for ITE etc. Thus, in order to ensure that JC places remain at X% when cohort sizes are falling, it is necessary to cull JC places. We can't have >X% going to JC just because the cohort size has shrunk, because then <Z% would go to ITE. Or that MOE is actually adjusting the X, Y and Z ratios. :siam: -
MOE says you are guaranteed a place in JC as long as you have 20 points and below.
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pirate:
20.
By the way, technically what is the cut-off point to be able to qualify for JC anyway? -
ChiefKiasu:
I suspect MOE may have underestimated the level of unhappiness when they made this merger announcement. The sensitivities of alumni were not taken into account, and what made it worse is when the ministry attempted to explain that the mergers have nothing to do with their cut-off points. It might have been better if the ministry stuck to the message that the JCs were merged because they simply lack the critical mass to continue to operate effectively by themselves.
The decision to merge the JCs could be better elaborated. For example, in terms of the dwindling intake, they are still sizeable at 500-600. If such a good-sized intake doesn't have the critical mass to support extensive CCA and other school activities, then how about DHS or RVHS (sorry
no ill intent, just examples) with their much smaller intake? Or is the writing on the wall on who's next on the merger list?
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lee_yl:
DHS and RV have IP integrated at the same campus. Its not as though they are building a separate campus for 300 studentsChiefKiasu:
I suspect MOE may have underestimated the level of unhappiness when they made this merger announcement. The sensitivities of alumni were not taken into account, and what made it worse is when the ministry attempted to explain that the mergers have nothing to do with their cut-off points. It might have been better if the ministry stuck to the message that the JCs were merged because they simply lack the critical mass to continue to operate effectively by themselves.
The decision to merge the JCs could be better elaborated. For example, in terms of the dwindling intake, they are still sizeable at 500-600. If such a good-sized intake doesn't have the critical mass to support extensive CCA and other school activities, then how about DHS or RVHS (sorry no ill intent, just examples) with their much smaller intake? Or is the writing on the wall on who's next on the merger list?
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