[PSLE MT] PSLE less weightage in Chinese / Mother Tongue
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HyperKiasu:
by the way, CEIBS is heavily funded by the EUstill got ppl who needs to be educated on the importance of China when everyone in the world starts to \"ride on the rise of China\"...
中欧国际工商学院
http://www.ceibs.edu/today/rankings/index.shtml
MBA Programme (despite its young age of 16yrs only):
* #22 worldwide, full-time MBA Programme (2010); 3-year average ranking = #14: Financial Times
* #2 \"Best Business School in Far Eastern Asia\" (2009): Ed Universal (award chosen by 1000 international b-school deans)
* #5 \"Schools in Asia most favored employers\": QS Top MBA website
why can it achieve that???
its presence in China: students pool/faculty talent pools...all want to ride on the rise of China.... -
ksi:
Ermmm.. he made those statements based on his own personal learning experience (but he learned at an old age) and what her neurologist daughter said. So, I won't say it's based on some solid, scientific research.
Tamarind, I suppose the main data point is LKY. He stood up to say that it was a feat from a bio point for some people. For LKY to make such statements, it would be assumed that he had done his research sufficiently to make the statements. Of course there is a possibilty of error but let's give him some benefit of doubt. -
ksi:
Just wondering, how about Thai or Indo Chinese couple turned Singaporean and child has to choose Chinese as MT? There might be a growing numbers of such children too since our government promoting citizenship to foreigners. Can someone advise if such kids are compulsory to take MT or hv special waivers?
My ex classmate was a Eurasian (Singaporean). He didn't take any MT in PSLE. In secondary, he took one of the 3rd languages offered.
So I think it's also not compulsory for foreigners to take MT. -
tamarind:
Fully agree. Early exposure and POSITIVE attitude by the parents towards learning Chinese are the key factors.
Very few of the minority 10% will be able to demonstrate this learning disability. Because most of them don't have the disability, they only started to learn Chinese too late.
MOE should setup nurseries and kindergartens where only Chinese is taught (no English at all), and kids can attend since 3 years old. Families that speak only English at home should send their kids to these pre-schools and I can guarantee that they will have no problems in Chinese. -
Did everyone read the news on ST today. It had a coverage of views from both camps. It does appear that based on feedback to the forum. Around 80% are against lowering of MT.
I also found it heartening to know that those against the lowering of MT are young professionals who had benefitted from the bilingual system.
Another interesting observation was the 1991 GE results where due to CL decision at that point, it cost the ruling party 4 seats. Is our GE round the corner??? -
dimsum:
That's right. We should only listen to experts in education who have conducted extensive research on a huge number of kids. These people must also be experts in Chinese. Not just based on personal experiences only. LKY was a lawyer and politician, not an educator, and he is certainly not an expert in the Chinese language. A chinese teacher in primary school is more qualified than him to make any comments about this issue, because the teacher has taught hundreds of children, LKY has not.
Ermmm.. he made those statements based on his own personal learning experience (but he learned at an old age) and what her neurologist daughter said. So, I won't say it's based on some solid, scientific research.ksi:
Tamarind, I suppose the main data point is LKY. He stood up to say that it was a feat from a bio point for some people. For LKY to make such statements, it would be assumed that he had done his research sufficiently to make the statements. Of course there is a possibilty of error but let's give him some benefit of doubt. -
If there is no scientific evidence of MT disability, then ATTITUDE is the only explanation of why one can be tortured by MT given same good MT exposure at early age.
Perhaps those 10% are fully loaded thus able to afford giving up MT. they always have backup plan… -
tamarind:
That's right. We should only listen to experts in education who have conducted extensive research on a huge number of kids. These people must also be experts in Chinese. Not just based on personal experiences only. LKY was a lawyer and politician, not an educator, and he is certainly not an expert in the Chinese language. A chinese teacher in primary school is more qualified than him to make any comments about this issue, because the teacher has taught hundreds of children, LKY has not.
The fact is, LKY in his adulthood can make it in learning mandarin, why the young kids with all the teachers' help, cannot ? The ultimate analysis conclusion : attitude and will / determination. If the parents day in day out say it is difficult, the kids will find it so. If the parents say it is not difficult but is achievable, it can be achieved. -
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A more meaningful thing to do, really is to set up a \"It is not too late to learn MT/CL\" foundation, to take care of people like 3Boys. Like he said, no stick. Use carrot.
I will volunteer my service. Anyone ? We can start a facebook page. -
Everyone, please bear in mind that LKY learned spoken Mandarin and what the children need to do in school is of higher proficiency than just spoken Mandarin. Also, for LKY, he has a political need to do so, so he has a strong motivation behind him and being an adult, he has also the maturity to understand why he needs to do so. For his Mandarin speeches, they were prepared for him, he only needed to learn the HYPY to deliver them. Can he script it himself? I doubt so but I give him alot of credit for learning spoken Mandarin at his age like all of you.
Children only know about fun, they don’t understand everything that LKY can understand as an adult, so the motivation is weak as long as the lesson is not engaging for them.
With that, I like to caution that while we are passionately putting across our reasons on MT should not be lowered, we should refrain from overcondemning why people cannot learn. They are people who really cannot and it is really an aptitude issue, we should leave it at that as they are, in any case, minority, no point moving the opposition up the creek and all things go irrational. There is no benefit to all.
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