Networking Group - JCs General

[ParkYuni]

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

It too depends on the relative % increase in intake this year. Someone ever mentioned the average cohort size of nyjc is 650 and another stated that it has not increased much this year. If it had increased to 900 pupils as that of cjc, the cop will probably drop much more. The cop is very much affected by moe's decision such as determining the jc cohort size etc. You can't credit it to improvement in nyjc or it being able to beat other traditional established jcs alone. Maybe the stakeholders of nyjc has a say in the number of intakes too.
Also, cop of nyjc and njc was a tie last year. What do you mean by 'beating njc in 2 consecutive years'?

[zeemimi]

I’m somewhat bemuse why are we so obsessed with which is top jc, which is top sec sch, which sch is better than which sch? We don’t even have the exact figures of their enrolment size, affiliation figures, A level results, etc to make an apple-to-apple comparison. Much less label which cohort as performing better or worse than previous cohort.


Does that 1 to 2 points difference make so much of a difference that we can label them as a student from top JC or mid-tier JC, and in the process infer them as possessing of certain caliber superior/inferior to others?

A large fraction of these 2-5 pointers had PSLE 230s - 250s, relegating many of them to "mid-tier" sec schools. Now they enter the "top" JCs and mix with the PSLE 250s-280s and realise they are mostly on par with each other.

It’s good we share the COPs of the schools for parents who wish to know/have a gauge if their child can enter the school or not. But to compare and rank schools based on COPs which differ by only a couple of points is really absurd.

[zeemimi]

GinMocca:

5. NJC provides many programmes which only top JC are elligible to offer. This include:
MOE Secondary and Pre-University Scholarships
Art Elective Scholarship
Humanities Scholarship
Language Elective Scholarship
MOE Pre-University Scholarship
Bicultural Studies Programme Scholarship

Erm, this is not a programme.

[mellory]

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zeemimi:

I'm somewhat bemuse why are we so obsessed with which is top jc, which is top sec sch, which sch is better than which sch? We don't even have the exact figures of their enrolment size, affiliation figures, A level results, etc to make an apple-to-apple comparison. Much less label which cohort as performing better or worse than previous cohort.


Does that 1 to 2 points difference make so much of a difference that we can label them as a student from top JC or mid-tier JC, and in the process infer them as possessing of certain caliber superior/inferior to others?

A large fraction of these 2-5 pointers had PSLE 230s - 250s, relegating many of them to \"mid-tier\" sec schools. Now they enter the \"top\" JCs and mix with the PSLE 250s-280s and realise they are mostly on par with each other.

It's good we share the COPs of the schools for parents who wish to know/have a gauge if their child can enter the school or not. But to compare and rank schools based on COPs which differ by only a couple of points is really absurd.

[ryanryan]

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GinMocca:

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

I guess you can say that by COP but does that tells you anything about its performance vs NJC ?

1. As somebody have pointed out here, COP is an indication of popularity, not A level performance. Popularity can be a result of many factors. The was a post in the NYJC thread by somebody who indicated that the son likes NYJC because of its football field....Please also don't forget that NYJC takes in affliated students from Chung Cheng schools with 2 point advantage, so the \"real COP\" may be higher.

2. NJC COP was affected because of the setup of EJC last year, which is close to NJC. If you notice, both ACJC and NJC dropped 2 point instead of 1 point - and they are both close to EJC ( EJC only dropped 1 point). I forsee that NJC COP will improve agin next year when EJC moves back to Bishan Park. Corresppondingly, I think we will see a improvement in EJC COP and a drop in NYJC COP since students in the Ang Mio Kio area have more choices to choose from now.

3. NJC have always been transparent with their A level results and they always have been stellar. I can hardly find any detailed results from NYJC

4. Even though the COP has dropped, don't forget that the IP cohort of NJC are among the top 10% of Singapore based on PSLE T score. I believe was 255 last year. I would think that the average mean quality of the cohort in NJC (majority are IP ) is still much better than NYJC ( no offence).

5. NJC provides many programmes which only top JC are elligible to offer. This include:
MOE Secondary and Pre-University Scholarships
Art Elective Scholarship
Humanities Scholarship
Language Elective Scholarship
MOE Pre-University Scholarship
Bicultural Studies Programme Scholarship

For example the Humanities Scholarship Program is only available to the following top institutions:
Raffles Institution
Eunoia JC
Victoria JC
National JC
Temasek JC
Anglo-Chinese JC
Hwa Chong JC

I am not sure how many such programs does NYJC has, if any at all.


6. If you take a poll among the Singapore public that which institutions is more prestigious , what would you think?

So kudos to them have having good COP i.e popularity but it certainly does not say much otherwise

[ryanryan]

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

I am surprised that you place so much importance on COP instead on delivering stellar A Level results. Would you be happy for your child to go to a good COP school but graduate with dismal A level results ?

[ngbrdad]

GinMocca:

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

I guess you can say that by COP but does that tells you anything about its performance vs NJC ?

1. As somebody have pointed out here, COP is an indication of popularity, not A level performance. Popularity can be a result of many factors. The was a post in the NYJC thread by somebody who indicated that the son likes NYJC because of its football field....Please also don't forget that NYJC takes in affliated students from Chung Cheng schools with 2 point advantage, so the \"real COP\" may be higher.

2. NJC COP was affected because of the setup of EJC last year, which is close to NJC. If you notice, both ACJC and NJC dropped 2 point instead of 1 point - and they are both close to EJC ( EJC only dropped 1 point). I forsee that NJC COP will improve agin next year when EJC moves back to Bishan Park. Corresppondingly, I think we will see a improvement in EJC COP and a drop in NYJC COP since students in the Ang Mio Kio area have more choices to choose from now.

3. NJC have always been transparent with their A level results and they always have been stellar. I can hardly find any detailed results from NYJC

4. Even though the COP has dropped, don't forget that the IP cohort of NJC are among the top 10% of Singapore based on PSLE T score. I believe was 255 last year. I would think that the average mean quality of the cohort in NJC (majority are IP ) is still much better than NYJC ( no offence).

5. NJC provides many programmes which only top JC are elligible to offer. This include:
MOE Secondary and Pre-University Scholarships
Art Elective Scholarship
Humanities Scholarship
Language Elective Scholarship
MOE Pre-University Scholarship
Bicultural Studies Programme Scholarship

For example the Humanities Scholarship Program is only available to the following top institutions:
Raffles Institution
Eunoia JC
Victoria JC
National JC
Temasek JC
Anglo-Chinese JC
Hwa Chong JC

I am not sure how many such programs does NYJC has, if any at all.


6. If you take a poll among the Singapore public that which institutions is more prestigious , what would you think?

So kudos to them have having good COP i.e popularity but it certainly does not say much otherwise

EJC will only move back to Bishan end 2019

So only the 2020 cohort onwards will be affected by the shift

Next year it's still at Ghim Moh

[Icwcxcb]

Maybe there's the deal to avoid being makaned by another jc

Plea deal

GinMocca:

ngl2010:

[quote=\"GinMocca\"]RI 5 5
Hwa Chong 5 5
NJC 8 9
TJC 10 11
ACJC 9 10
CJC 15 14


All dropped !

It is expected as students intake has been increased as per MOE direction due to mergers. Once top schools increase their intake, the rest is like domino effect.

CJC drop is huge...but heard that they have to increase cohort from 600+ to 900+...no wonder[/quote]

[Icwcxcb]

Top I am no sure ... But mysterious and sneaky I think more likely... Until the day they reveal the performance in greater details,

I would not think they belong to top tier .. they remind me of tj, a school fallen from grace, where the IP label cost them deeply until now they just gave vague results during a levels result day.

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

[ngbrdad]

ParkYuni:

phtthp:

For those merged JCs like Anderson, Meridian, wondering how they going to teach the A-level students ?


eg

Since Anderson merged with Serangoon cohort : for Science stream, are they going to teach at the original faster pace of Anderson, or at a slightly slower pace now, after merging ?

What kind of teaching pace, are they going to pitch at ?

(the same question apply to Meridian / Tampines merge)

IMHO, the 3-point gap is not that big to warrant any changes. The JAE bonus points are already contributing up to 4-pt difference between students within the same JC. Who knows, the teachers in MJC & TPJC might have been giving lessons of similar standard to their pupils in the past and hence the merging is not going to affect much. However, it's the ability of the majority students to handle the actual A level exam that will make a difference to the JC's performance.
On the other hand, EJC teachers might have a greater headache on how to strike a balance in teaching the IPs and the JAEs.
Their gap seems even bigger.

Potential gap between JAE and IP students can happen in all JCs with IP like RI, HCI, VJC, NJC, TJC, EJC, SJI, ACSI