Networking Group - JCs General

[ParkYuni]

zeemimi:

I'm somewhat bemuse why are we so obsessed with which is top jc, which is top sec sch, which sch is better than which sch? We don't even have the exact figures of their enrolment size, affiliation figures, A level results, etc to make an apple-to-apple comparison. Much less label which cohort as performing better or worse than previous cohort.


Does that 1 to 2 points difference make so much of a difference that we can label them as a student from top JC or mid-tier JC, and in the process infer them as possessing of certain caliber superior/inferior to others?

A large fraction of these 2-5 pointers had PSLE 230s - 250s, relegating many of them to \"mid-tier\" sec schools. Now they enter the \"top\" JCs and mix with the PSLE 250s-280s and realise they are mostly on par with each other.

It's good we share the COPs of the schools for parents who wish to know/have a gauge if their child can enter the school or not. But to compare and rank schools based on COPs which differ by only a couple of points is really absurd.

I totally agree with you but whenever someone tries to boast about cop (and I wonder why it's always from that same jc), we have to get our ideas across to prove them wrong and hope to stop their obsession.

[ilovelaksa]

zeemimi:

I'm somewhat bemuse why are we so obsessed with which is top jc, which is top sec sch, which sch is better than which sch? We don't even have the exact figures of their enrolment size, affiliation figures, A level results, etc to make an apple-to-apple comparison. Much less label which cohort as performing better or worse than previous cohort.


Does that 1 to 2 points difference make so much of a difference that we can label them as a student from top JC or mid-tier JC, and in the process infer them as possessing of certain caliber superior/inferior to others?

A large fraction of these 2-5 pointers had PSLE 230s - 250s, relegating many of them to \"mid-tier\" sec schools. Now they enter the \"top\" JCs and mix with the PSLE 250s-280s and realise they are mostly on par with each other.

It's good we share the COPs of the schools for parents who wish to know/have a gauge if their child can enter the school or not. But to compare and rank schools based on COPs which differ by only a couple of points is really absurd.

Awesome! :goodpost:

[ilovelaksa]

abachee:

But in the end, she doesn’t opt for the No.1 JC as we feel that a good environment, the school vibes without Eltism Aura hanging in the air and niche programme the JC offer which my child feel comfortably studying in and progress thru for the next 2 years of her JC life.
And as parent, we are happy and glad our child have make a right choice.

(PS If you guys are wondering which JC my child posted to, your guesses is as good as mine. For those who have known me in other secondary sch chat in this forum. You would have guess it. It’s the JC which enjoy all day sea Breeze)

My dd just went cycling several hours along the beach to Marina and back with her fellow Victorians, enjoyg the seabreeze all the way : ) Your dd will be enjoying lotsa coastal runs soon.

[zbear]

I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.


Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students.

[abachee]

zbear:

I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.


Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students.

Bingo!! You were right about that. Ultimately it’s still up to the individual student attitude and ability to catch up fast and find it’s feet and blend with those smarter IP ones or else they will struggle.

[Grandypa]

lee_yl:

UBKmom:

Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.

Well, nothing wrong to say that NYJC is among the top 4 JCs based on this COP.

To be specific,we can rank NYJC as the top 4 JCs but for the ‘O’ level students only .

To be even more specific, we can rank NYJC as the top 4 JCs but for the ‘O’ level but not including Chung Cheng schools' students. Since Chung Cheng school students have a 2 pt affliation advantage.

[zeemimi]

zbear:

I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.


Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students.

have to disagree with this, not because it was specific to my kid. At the Honours Day at the end of the 2 years IP JC, those who had straight As made it to the honours list. In the list were a good number of JAE students. Of course there were more IP students in the list as about 80% or more of the cohort were IP students. Not forgetting that even those who did not have straight As and did not make it to the honours list, many of them had perfect 90 rank points or high 80s. My DC's JAE friends all did well in their IP JC.
As a general observance, the 2-3 pointers (COP was 3 that year) who made it to DC's IP JCs were rather consistent in their academics. Generally you can't tell much difference between the JAE/IP then, at least for my DC's case. Was surprised that some of the IPs were GEPs, and really, they blended with everyone else and you couldn't tell them apart had they not reveal their background. I don't think it was a breeze for the IP students in JC. I see the JAE/IP students helping / teaching one another.
Another of my kid was put into a GEP class in Sec3 Sec 4. Their academics are on par with each other, whether they were GEP or not.
And so i tell my kids, you will never be at the top always. Neither will you be at the bottom always.
Life is like a heartbeat monitor, it goes up and down. If it is straight, it means you are dead.

[jtoh]

zeemimi:

zbear:

I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.


Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students.

have to disagree with this, not because it was specific to my kid. At the Honours Day at the end of the 2 years IP JC, those who had straight As made it to the honours list. In the list were a good number of JAE students. Of course there were more IP students in the list as about 80% or more of the cohort were IP students. Not forgetting that even those who did not have straight As and did not make it to the honours list, many of them had perfect 90 rank points or high 80s. My DC's JAE friends all did well in their IP JC.
As a general observance, the 2-3 pointers (COP was 3 that year) who made it to DC's IP JCs were rather consistent in their academics. Generally you can't tell much difference between the JAE/IP then, at least for my DC's case. Was surprised that some of the IPs were GEPs, and really, they blended with everyone else and you couldn't tell them apart had they not reveal their background. I don't think it was a breeze for the IP students in JC. I see the JAE/IP students helping / teaching one another.
Another of my kid was put into a GEP class in Sec3 Sec 4. Their academics are on par with each other, whether they were GEP or not.
And so i tell my kids, you will never be at the top always. Neither will you be at the bottom always.
Life is like a heartbeat monitor, it goes up and down. If it is straight, it means you are dead.

Just wanted to point out that I don't think 80% or more of the cohort at your dd's JC was IP students. Total candidature that year was 1,229. RI and RGS cohort is approximately 400 each. So they make up maybe 66% or thereabouts. And yes, many JAE students do perform as well as IP students, and GEP students really are like other kids.

[zeemimi]

jtoh:

zeemimi:

[quote=\"zbear\"]I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.


Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students.

have to disagree with this, not because it was specific to my kid. At the Honours Day at the end of the 2 years IP JC, those who had straight As made it to the honours list. In the list were a good number of JAE students. Of course there were more IP students in the list as about 80% or more of the cohort were IP students. Not forgetting that even those who did not have straight As and did not make it to the honours list, many of them had perfect 90 rank points or high 80s. My DC's JAE friends all did well in their IP JC.
As a general observance, the 2-3 pointers (COP was 3 that year) who made it to DC's IP JCs were rather consistent in their academics. Generally you can't tell much difference between the JAE/IP then, at least for my DC's case. Was surprised that some of the IPs were GEPs, and really, they blended with everyone else and you couldn't tell them apart had they not reveal their background. I don't think it was a breeze for the IP students in JC. I see the JAE/IP students helping / teaching one another.
Another of my kid was put into a GEP class in Sec3 Sec 4. Their academics are on par with each other, whether they were GEP or not.
And so i tell my kids, you will never be at the top always. Neither will you be at the bottom always.
Life is like a heartbeat monitor, it goes up and down. If it is straight, it means you are dead.

Just wanted to point out that I don't think 80% or more of the cohort at your dd's JC was IP students. Total candidature that year was 1,229. RI and RGS cohort is approximately 400 each. So they make up maybe 66% or thereabouts. And yes, many JAE students do perform as well as IP students, and GEP students really are like other kids.[/quote]thanks jtoh for the correction. she is 1 IP mum i look up to. :rahrah:

[jtoh]

:rahrah: @zeemimi,