Networking Group - JCs General
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zbear:
This is not true for VJC. The IP students are very good in critical thinking. But when it comes to content, drilling subjects, the O levellers are better, they know how to score.I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.
Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students. -
abachee:
Why blend? Go supersede the IPs, the sky’s the limit! The A levels is a level playing field for all.
Bingo!! You were right about that. Ultimately it’s still up to the individual student attitude and ability to catch up fast and find it’s feet and blend with those smarter IP ones or else they will struggle. -
zac's mum:
I hv come to understand that for GP, you don’t hv to hv super powderful Engrish.
- GP in JC will require wide reading of current affairs. Besides the language part of it, you need to discuss on paper the pros and cons and give your opinion at the end. It is perfectly possible to pass GP by memorizing scores and scores of sample essays, then applying them to various similar topics. Teachers will not recommend this of course (they prefer thinkers not regurgitates), but if desperate I’m sure it will work.
Just write clearly, write rationally with loads of justification in your writing to convince the reader. An A is within reach.
But you are right, memorisation might help get a pass. Getting that A will require further thought. -
Jaydazzlerz:
Go to JC if he pass his O level english. JC maths is more vigorous than poly maths. I had a tutee who got double maths A1 but got C5 or C6 for English. He went to SRJC and got A for h2 maths, pass GP. He got a place in NUS engineering. His brother failed O level english and went to poly. Poly maths is way easier than h2 maths. Should he manage to go to university, his maths cannot compare to those who took h2 maths in JC. He needs to achieve a GPA of at least 3.6 to get into NUS or NTU engineering, which means majority of his modules must score A. This is not easy. And he had to retake and pass O level english which he did.Hi all
My ds is doing his O levels this year..He is undecided between a JC or Poly and is only focused on clearing his O's. He does very well for Maths/A Maths/ Science (com) A1s but lags in MT and EL - C5s. Character wise he is an introvert and spends his weekends studying and completing homeworks. Our main aim as parents is for him to go to a local Uni and get a degree and JC seems the most viable option. Nwdays the cut off points seem lower and lower and i presume my ds is about 10-12 pointer in O levels.
What would be your advise as he has not mentioned any career paths aside from prob teaching. He seems a sure hit for most poly courses but wondering if GP might be a hill too high in JC for him? Not expecting the top JC but the 2nd tiers (if there is such lol) are an achievable option.
My English wasn't very good too. In school prelim, i got C. In O level improve to B3. Went to AJC did double maths. And then went NTU engineering and got 1st class honours. Many poly graduates who went to university struggle with university maths while I could cope well because of the JC maths training I had. -
Do remember to extend the expiry of concession card for jc students.
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ilovelaksa:
However, the current A level syllabi are very much into analysis and application and will benefit students with good critical thinking skill.
This is not true for VJC. The IP students are very good in critical thinking. But when it comes to content, drilling subjects, the O levellers are better, they know how to score.zbear:
I have 2 children who graduated from JC - one is from IP, the other is from JAE.
Speaking from my experience only (others may think differently), there is a marked difference in the academic calibe of both IP and JAE and it shows at JC level. JAE students need a lot of hardwork, determination and peservance to catch up with IP students. -
ilovelaksa:
For GP comprehension component, a very good grasp of english is required to understand the content and vocabs in order to express and paraphrase the answers accurately.
I hv come to understand that for GP, you don’t hv to hv super powderful Engrish.zac's mum:
- GP in JC will require wide reading of current affairs. Besides the language part of it, you need to discuss on paper the pros and cons and give your opinion at the end. It is perfectly possible to pass GP by memorizing scores and scores of sample essays, then applying them to various similar topics. Teachers will not recommend this of course (they prefer thinkers not regurgitates), but if desperate I’m sure it will work.
Just write clearly, write rationally with loads of justification in your writing to convince the reader. An A is within reach.
But you are right, memorisation might help get a pass. Getting that A will require further thought. -
ilovelaksa:
A period of 2 years is too short to catch up for most O level students. Most IP students are already exposed to some A level contents in their IP program. It's not a level playing field. But at the end of the day, both IP and JAE students may still get the same score, but may differ in the 'quality' of the A-grade.
Why blend? Go supersede the IPs, the sky’s the limit! The A levels is a level playing field for all.abachee:
Bingo!! You were right about that. Ultimately it’s still up to the individual student attitude and ability to catch up fast and find it’s feet and blend with those smarter IP ones or else they will struggle. -
phtthp:
Wow...I did not expect such a response but I merely stating the fact lah...NYJC is really TOP 4 jc in Singapore based on COP mah....I think its good to have competition so that everyone can improve and I like to see disruptor challenging the status quo to keep everyone on the toe. I remembered during my time, NYJC was really a very ulu jc and NJ/TJ is high up there but look what happen today. Is the rise of NYJC is due more to hype or substance (good A level results)? The fact that they are able to attract i guess the top 10% of JAE student is a commendable effort. They must be doing something correct/good to attract them.(I mean location does play a part but come on, they have been there for decades and a football field is really just a football field lei. But I super like EJC's field on rooftop, something different!)I believe that if you depend on good marketing/hype to attract people, time will expose your empty vessel, words/gossip travel fast.UBKmom:
Can we safetly declare that NYJC is officially Singapore top 4 jc based on COP by beating NJC in 2 consecutive years? I think we must give them credit for that, an impressive rise n improvement beating many traditional long history established jc or IPJC. They don't hv the IP feeder school but manage to rise to the among the top, kudos to them.
In terms of entry point COP into Junior colleges, Nanyang JC is impressive. At the very most, we can use the word \"impressive\" or \"look attractive, appealing to enter Nanyang Junior College \", because this is a fair statement. Nanyang JC had done well, keep Up your spirit !
However, the moment we mention the word \"amongst Top\" JC, we No longer just look at the entry Cut-off-point, alone
Far more important is the Final, Exit END-point results, and that is looking at the performance of the \"QUALITY\" GCE \"A\" level results breakdown in detail, by H2 subject.
The same analogy arise, when we compare our primary schools' PSLE results, to explain clearer.
When we compare primary schools' PSLE results, what do we look out for?
a)
We look out for the percentage of \"QUALITY A / A *\" PSLE results, of the core 4 subjects (EL / MA / SC / Mother Tongue & Higher Mother Tongue)
A : 75 and above
A * : 91 and above
b)
We look at the number or the percentage of students, who scored 250 and above, in that primary school.
c)
We look at the Average / Mean T-score of the entire P6 PSLE cohort performance, in that individual primary school.
Do you ever look at the Entry point or Entrance point into Primary 1, that is how popular is that hot-favorable primary school in demand, during Phase 2C (less than 1 km) balloting, to determine or decide whether that primary school is amongst the Top schools in Sg ?
No, you don't !
Instead, what do we look for ?
We look at the Final, EXIT point Performance results, ie. the PSLE cohort performance, in that particular school.
It is the results of the entire cohort, that speaks for itself !
Likewise, the same concept applies to Junior Colleges -
again, we look at the Final, EXIT GCE A level performance results, of a particular Junior college.
Recall that Chinese, common saying ?
\"It is Not how you start or begin the race, that is important. Rather, it is how you END at the finishing line , that is Important !\"
In the same reasoning, there are IP students who started the begining of the Secondary school education (6 years ahead) who acquired impressive T-score, via lots of drilling, through tons of tuition in Primary 5 and 6.
However, along the way, what happen to them ?
Some of them felt very tired, couldn't cope with rigorous IP course with 8 subjects in Sec vs. 4 subjects & with heavy demand of Cca commitment plus other reasons : drop out halfway, exited at end of Sec 4, or retained at end of JC 1 (Year 5) or did badly at JC2.
Whether they can continue to Exit at the final, destination point with good A level results, is a question mark they have to answer themselves.
Unless and until someone come forward willingly to prove to everyone and to furnish the detailed breakdown by individual subject the H2 performance of the core Science and core Arts A-level subjects, & compare against that of National Junior college, for at least past 3 years' A level results consistently, to prove a consistent trend worth-noting performance, otherwise it is Wrong to use entrance Cut-off-point to decide & to determine if Nanyang JC A-level results is indeed the #4 Junior College, throughout entire Singapore.
I am not sure what is happening with NJC but to pin the reason to EJC operating at Sinai is not exactly correct. I dont know how many of CHS, SCGS and SNG top students go to NJ previously, I guess those top student will mainly go to RI, HCI or VJC taking into their secondary school location, SAP status etc and I doubt EJC is a serious competitor of NJC with their current infant stage (no offence to EJC). NJC is not new to competition, they have been surviving well sitting next to HCI and others like ACJC, ACSI, RI (previously at Sinai). I guess the main issue is with more school going the IP/IB route and more good students going poly, NJC is stuck in the middle, either here nor there, there are losing their niche or distinctions to attract good student. I mean if I am good I will go HCI or RI,if I am 5 - 12 pointers, I have alot more JCs or Poly to choose from. Will NJC goes down the road of TJC, I am not sure. Will they flourish again after EJC move back to Bishan, I doubt so. Will EJC suffer the same fate as NJC sitting beside a giant (RI), I hope not. Like I say, I like disruptor.
As for the end result (A level performance), without all JCs release their complete results and standard of measurement (UAP, nos of 3As, 4As etc, there is really no way of comparing, however, if you take the top 15/20 secondary school based on PSLE COP, do you think their O level performance (if those IP school also takes O level) will not follow their PSLE COP ranking? (may be not same ranking but still within top 20). Then, can we also make the same assumption on those JCs based on O level COP?
PS: I have nothing to do with NYJC or NJC. -
UBKmom:
Top 4 JC based on JAE COP but don’t forget the JAE is only for O-level students only.
Wow...I did not expect such a response but I merely stating the fact lah...NYJC is really TOP 4 jc in Singapore based on COP mah....I think its good to have competition so that everyone can improve and I like to see disruptor challenging the status quo to keep everyone on the toe. I remembered during my time, NYJC was really a very ulu jc and NJ/TJ is high up there but look what happen today
There are IP-only schools like DHS which doesn’t take part in JAE. Seriously, Is NYJC better than DHS?
And since the intake of each JC varies greatly after the recent wave of mergers, this external change has an impact on the COP this time round. It can’t be that CJC’s standard deteriorated overnight but its drop in COP could be explained considering that it absorbs the most students this time round.
I also noticed a lot of earlier posts with O-level students stating their fears, worries or simply not comfortable to join an IPJC. So they just pick a more reputable non-IP JC and NYJC happens to be one of the better non-IP heartlander JC. This perhaps reflects the divide in our society with unfounded perceptions and concerns about elitist IP schools due to a lack of mixing across the social divide. If one day, this social divide could be bridges, will NYJC still be as popular?
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