Nanyang Girls' High School [*IP]
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Note I did not raise any injustice or unfairness issues. I agree their standard of Chinese is excellent, and of course they are hardworking.
BUT I am waiting for some NY parents to refute the percentage. Don’t see anybody refuting it. So our guess of majority being such “1st/2nd generation PRC/Taiwanese” profile is correct? -
Tbh, when I knew that my dd can study at NYGH, I’m like 谢天谢地。 It is a Top Girls’ IP school – I’m not even bother by how many china/taiwan/m’sia gonna flooded the school! (** I’m a pure Singaporean, my family is pure Singaporean) & my dd’s super pure Singaporean as in English is way better than Chinese…though her standard of Chinese is far way behind pure PRC, but put in effort still can maintain A1 for this subject (for now).
For pure Singaporean as in me who prefers NYGH than RGS is aiming for the Hwa Chong JC. As for PRC/taiwan who prefers NYGH reckons is more on their superiority of HCL subject that they can 发挥 and they prefer Chinese’ culture of the school. Just my two cents .cough cough. -
zac's mum:
The public’s perception of NYPS and NYGH (or maybe it is just my own perception) is that:
It is highly sought after by PRC/Taiwanese parents. Seems like almost all of them want their girls to DSA into NYGH. And similarly, the perception is that the school selects many of such profile kids. So is it true that majority of each class is of such profile?
Hi, personally, I do not know much about the profile of nygh students.
I do not join any parents group when dd is in sec school.
We, our parents and dd are all singaporeans.
We have been to Nygh a couple of times over the last four years- orientation, open house, fun fair, parent teacher meeting and actually, between dh and myself, we have never felt that the school has been swarmed with students of PRC/Taiwanese heritage.
Maybe we can't tell - these students that comes in at Sec 1, whether via DSA, NYPS, PSLE t-score and have been in our pri school education system for some time already and mostly speak in English.
DD hangs out with different group of friends when she was in lower sec and when she was in upper sec and her close friends have come to our house previously, of which only 1 of them has parents who were from China.
That said, I do believe there should be quite a good no of such students in the school although i don't know what is the percentage like.
Many of these students do well in PSLE, well enough to qualify them into any school they want.
Regarding DSA and selection of students, I only know of 1 girl who got a CO from Nygh in dd's neighbourhood primary school but no, she is not of PRC/taiwanese heritage.
Her parents are both singaporeans.
I think ganjiongspider mentioned in the earlier post that she is singaporean too and if I remember correctly, her dd also got a CO in Nygh.
Not sure about other parents whose child have gotten a CO from the school.
Regardless of what they prefer to speak in school, or the standard of their English, what’s a hard fact is their mothers are able directly speak and inculcate Chinese culture to them at home, which gives them clear advantage in their level of Mandarin already, over a regular Singaporean Chinese student. Would it be hard for SCs to survive in that kind of “competition”? Eg Chinese compositions will show a clear divide who’s more proficient.
There's no doubt that the standard of these PRC students' chinese would be much better than our local singaporeans.
To me, I am not worried about how dd's chinese will pale in comparison to these PRC students, the only person which I feel that dd should compete against is actually herself!
She should aim to be better than what she previously was.
As for competition with PRC students, whether you like it or not, you child has already \"competed\" against them when he/she sits for the PSLE chinese/higher chinese (and all other subjects actually) with them and will be doing it again come O levels/A levels,.......
You can't change that.
Yes, these students will write better essays than our child and the teachers would share these essays with the students sometimes.
In a way, they are indirectly helping our children improve their chinese standards, so I am not complaining.
I think someone has shared previously in this thread that they are Americans and their child did not take HCL in primary school but the school do provide extra lessons for these students in the morning, her child had chinese tuition as well and is managing fine with A1 to B3 grade.
Personally, I think parents shouldn't be too unduly worried just because Nygh is an SAP school.
As long as your child does not dislike chinese, have good learning attitude and is willing to work hard, she should do fine.
The promotion criteria in Nygh from Sec 1 to Sec 4 for higher chinese is a minimum C6 by the way.
Like a forummer said in Me time thread, parents worry too much and children can be quite resilient - have a little more faith in our children, especially our SG children.
:rahrah:
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lego:
:goodpost:zac's mum:
The public’s perception of NYPS and NYGH (or maybe it is just my own perception) is that:
It is highly sought after by PRC/Taiwanese parents. Seems like almost all of them want their girls to DSA into NYGH. And similarly, the perception is that the school selects many of such profile kids. So is it true that majority of each class is of such profile?
Hi, personally, I do not know much about the profile of nygh students.
I do not join any parents group when dd is in sec school.
We, our parents and dd are all singaporeans.
We have been to Nygh a couple of times over the last four years- orientation, open house, fun fair, parent teacher meeting and actually, between dh and myself, we have never felt that the school has been swarmed with students of PRC/Taiwanese heritage.
Maybe we can't tell - these students that comes in at Sec 1, whether via DSA, NYPS, PSLE t-score and have been in our pri school education system for some time already and mostly speak in English.
DD hangs out with different group of friends when she was in lower sec and when she was in upper sec and her close friends have come to our house previously, of which only 1 of them has parents who were from China.
That said, I do believe there should be quite a good no of such students in the school although i don't know what is the percentage like.
Many of these students do well in PSLE, well enough to qualify them into any school they want.
Regarding DSA and selection of students, I only know of 1 girl who got a CO from Nygh in dd's neighbourhood primary school but no, she is not of PRC/taiwanese heritage.
Her parents are both singaporeans.
I think ganjiongspider mentioned in the earlier post that she is singaporean too and if I remember correctly, her dd also got a CO in Nygh.
Not sure about other parents whose child have gotten a CO from the school.
Regardless of what they prefer to speak in school, or the standard of their English, what’s a hard fact is their mothers are able directly speak and inculcate Chinese culture to them at home, which gives them clear advantage in their level of Mandarin already, over a regular Singaporean Chinese student. Would it be hard for SCs to survive in that kind of “competition”? Eg Chinese compositions will show a clear divide who’s more proficient.
There's no doubt that the standard of these PRC students' chinese would be much better than our local singaporeans.
To me, I am not worried about how dd's chinese will pale in comparison to these PRC students, the only person which I feel that dd should compete against is actually herself!
She should aim to be better than what she previously was.
As for competition with PRC students, whether you like it or not, you child has already \"competed\" against them when he/she sits for the PSLE chinese/higher chinese (and all other subjects actually) with them and will be doing it again come O levels/A levels,.......
You can't change that.
Yes, these students will write better essays than our child and the teachers would share these essays with the students sometimes.
In a way, they are indirectly helping our children improve their chinese standards, so I am not complaining.
I think someone has shared previously in this thread that they are Americans and their child did not take HCL in primary school but the school do provide extra lessons for these students in the morning, her child had chinese tuition as well and is managing fine with A1 to B3 grade.
Personally, I think parents shouldn't be too unduly worried just because Nygh is an SAP school.
As long as your child does not dislike chinese, have good learning attitude and is willing to work hard, she should do fine.
The promotion criteria in Nygh from Sec 1 to Sec 4 for higher chinese is a minimum C6 by the way.
Like a forummer said in Me time thread, parents worry too much and children can be quite resilient - have a little more faith in our children, especially our SG children. :rahrah:
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mommyNg:
That's because of former principal's strategy of using DSA to cherry pick the top girls in every primary school. She said it during open house that NYGH prides herself for taking in students from more than 100 primary schools, and that a top student from a neighborhood primary school will stand a better chance for DSA. It is thus not surprising that a big chunk of these DSA intake ended up with PSLE score above 260 for even 264.
No, my calculations suggest that the % of Sec 1 cohort who enter via Psle posting is not as high as what ganjiongspider has stated (or conversely, the % of DSA is not as low as what she has stated). Nothing about the Psle scores of those enter via DSA. Certainly, as far I know, many of those who got in via DSA scored 264 and more (even > 270).Zappy:
Your calculations seem to imply that all the DSA intake would not meet the PSLE COP.
I think among that 35-50% DSA students that you mentioned, there'd be a not insignificant group of those students that would still meet the 264, especially those from the subject domains.
Not sure about this new principal though. But I think she is wise enough to keep to good enrollment policies. -
Harrychew:
And also aligned with the (new) MOE directions too.... :evil:
Not sure about this new principal though. But I think she is wise enough to keep to good (from the school's perspective) enrollment policies. -
Estéema:
I have a PRC ex-neigbour who is PR only, owns >20 properties in Spore before the property rules clamp & daughter enter NYGH via T-score of 270. She used to lament her daughter did very well yearly but bcoz PR status do not qualify for EduSave awards.
More than 20 properties :stupid: -
mommyNg:
Sometimes I am confused by the DSA directions. Why need to cherry pick top girls from all primary schools? I believe top girls from primary schools should have no problem hitting 264. I thought DSA was designed to help those who excel in one area but not for all academic subjects so probably couldn’t enter via NYGH using tscore?
And also aligned with the (new) MOE directions too.... :evil:Harrychew:
Not sure about this new principal though. But I think she is wise enough to keep to good (from the school's perspective) enrollment policies.
Hearsay from a friend whose DD was very happy at NYGH for years 1 & 2. As she progressed higher, the girl got unhappy with the school recruiting more and more Scholars from China as these PRCs are quite “bitchy” and form their own cliques. But I guess it’s alright lah, just an early taste of social reality! -
Actually NYGH is not the only school that brings in scholars from overseas in Yr 3. Brings in stiff competition. Have a taste of diverse culture is also good.
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lee_yl:
Sometimes I am confused by the DSA directions. Why need to cherry pick top girls from all primary schools? I believe top girls from primary schools should have no problem hitting 264. I thought DSA was designed to help those who excel in one area but not for all academic subjects so probably couldn’t enter via NYGH using tscore?
And also aligned with the (new) MOE directions too.... :evil:mommyNg:
[quote=\"Harrychew\"]
Not sure about this new principal though. But I think she is wise enough to keep to good (from the school's perspective) enrollment policies.
Hearsay from a friend whose DD was very happy at NYGH for years 1 & 2. As she progressed higher, the girl got unhappy with the school recruiting more and more Scholars from China as these PRCs are quite “bitchy” and form their own cliques. But I guess it’s alright lah, just an early taste of social reality![/quote]I never thot I wld stereotype, but yes, of all the PRCs in my neigbourhood then, except one lady rich & down-to-earth but not her daughter. The other ladies hv strike frdship just to get info of competitive ways to get their kids ahead - be it getting the best school admission, how to DSA into top schools (that's how I got to know this neigbour when she asked abt DSA, she wld gripe abt her girl not getting any EduSave awards tho top in all subjects & cohort bcoz they're still PRs). I told her she can help her child by converting to citizenship. Before I knew it, her girl hit 270 T-score, whilst previously kept claiming her girl can only stay in affiliated Sec sch but now in NYGH.
I've had a taste of these PRC 太太s (stayed in one such neigbourhood for more than 7 years) fluanting in their dressing, handbags & dishing out a big note even when I brought them to Tiong Bahru mkt. Sigh! Made it so difficult for the stallholders. I guess they can only assimilate after more years here, owise hope their kids learn to assimilate & not flaunt or bitch. If they keep up with their cliquish, how does our Spore kids get comfortable & trust their frdships?
I think education whichever sch it may be, shld uphold good values & if my kids hv to be faced with bitchy or selfish attitudes, then I'll hope they're not tempted with behaviours or pick up habits & attitudes when mingling in school or doing projects outside.
It is my hope that MOE & respective sch P supports the govt efforts to increase our population with these 2nd generation PRs by helping them to assimilate more & steer them fr unhealthy clamoring or flaunting. Without conscious effort to help them build genuine frdship, there'll not be any exchange of mutual learning or spurring constructive & healthy competition.
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