2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)

[zac's mum]

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So our kids will be entering secondary school in 2023. The year before they scrap the streaming and GCE O levels! :shock: Can you imagine being the last to sit for N and O levels before it is scrapped? I guess, they had to choose a year to implement it and it had to be 2024! Does anyone have any idea how this affects the IP schools and system?

Yup our kids will be the last batch being streamed into fixed Express, N(A) and N(T) Sec One form classes based on their PSLE score. Although some pilot secondary schools will be mixing up the form classes earlier than that.

IP schools won’t be affected by this change cos they only have Express classes anyway.

[zac's mum]

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PSLE in 2022 will be based on single digit points scoring system and MOE has released the scoring criteria. But how do we determine what is the cut off points for secondary school selection? There are COP lists in other forum threads but it does not apply to the new scoring system. Has anyone done a conversion for how the previous points translate to the new points??

Our P3 kid has just finished his SA1. I sat down to calculate the “conversion” using his report book marks myself. Sharing sample here so you can work yours out too.

EL: 97/100 (A*) —> AL1
CL: 70/100 (B) —> AL5
MA: 98/100 (A*) —> AL1
SC: 78/100 (A) —> AL4

If use T score system, KSP parents said add up all 4 subjects marks, then multiply by factor 0.72-0.75.

Eg. (97 + 70 + 98 + 78) x 0.72 = 247

If use AL score system, simply add up all the AL marks.

Eg. 1 + 5 + 1 + 4 = 11

So eg. If you are eyeing a school with current COP of 247, it translates to a future COP of 11 (on paper).

Although beware that actual COP will always fluctuate depending on supply & demand.

[zac's mum]

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[lee_yl]

I guess there’s a little bit of a difference here, would be for a raw score of 343 would generate an estimated tscore of 247 (based on your calculations) and under the AL Banding system, 11 points. Very likely the child will go to O-level stream?


For the same raw score of 343 under the new system, it could also mean 86% on average per subject, which then gives a score of AL2 per subject and that gives a total of 8 points. Meaning, very likely the child is eligible for IP.

Which underscores the differences between the 2 systems, the AL Banding system suits those who have consistently good results across all subjects and not those with lopsided strengths in some subjects and abject weakness in others.

[MrsKiasu]

like to better sieve the 75 and above…below 75 no need be too stress…

[floppy]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1916504\" time=\"1561858154\" user_id=\"17023:

I guess there’s a little bit of a difference here, would be for a raw score of 343 would generate an estimated tscore of 247 (based on your calculations) and under the AL Banding system, 11 points. Very likely the child will go to O-level stream?

For the same raw score of 343 under the new system, it could also mean 86% on average per subject, which then gives a score of AL2 per subject and that gives a total of 8 points. Meaning, very likely the child is eligible for IP.

Which underscores the differences between the 2 systems, the AL Banding system suits those who have consistently good results across all subjects and not those with lopsided strengths in some subjects and abject weakness in others.

Yup. The new system rewards those who are consistent across the board. Hence, zac’s mum son would be ‘penalised’ under the new system compared to the old one.

If another student had scored 85 for every subject (340 total, t-score 245), he would have scored 8 points (3 points better off) and be a borderline IP case. If another student had scored 2x 85 and 2x80 (330 total, t-score 238), he would have scored 10 points (1 point better off). Both students would be ahead of the 11 pointer, despite them having a lower raw score.

The other observation (said long time ago) is MTL is going to be the real deal breaker. Given the focus, AL1 or AL2 for EL, Math and Science is going to be fairly common. Whether you are going to end up in the top / upper-middle tier will depend on the CL result.

[MrsKiasu]

I prefer the current tscore system…

[floppy]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1916516\" time=\"1561862894\" user_id=\"43981:

I prefer the current tscore system..

In any system, there will be winners and there will be losers. Cannot always be liu lian bao jiak.

The other thing about this new system is the uneven scoring range. If you are in AL2, 3 or 4 and looking for improvement, it wouldn’t take a lot to jump up to the next grade (+5 points). However, if you are in AL5, you would need a big leap to AL4 (+10 points). Further down, it would get worst - you need a giant leap to get out of AL6, 7 or 8 (+20 points). How is that going to encourage our weakest students to better themselves?

Also, taking zac’s mum eg, if his son had an improvement of +5 points for his 2 weakest subjects, under the new scoring system, he would have scored 9 points - likely OP, slightly more popular schools, not much difference IMHO. Under the old system, he would have t-score 254 - IP, most of the popular schools. Big difference.

Anyone selling the idea that the new system won’t result in parents / students chasing after every single point is plain BS.

[zac's mum]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1916504\" time=\"1561858154\" user_id=\"17023:

I guess there’s a little bit of a difference here, would be for a raw score of 343 would generate an estimated tscore of 247 (based on your calculations) and under the AL Banding system, 11 points. Very likely the child will go to O-level stream?

For the same raw score of 343 under the new system, it could also mean 86% on average per subject, which then gives a score of AL2 per subject and that gives a total of 8 points. Meaning, very likely the child is eligible for IP.

Which underscores the differences between the 2 systems, the AL Banding system suits those who have consistently good results across all subjects and not those with lopsided strengths in some subjects and abject weakness in others.

Yes the difference is the new system cannot, does not let you take the “averaged” 86% per subject. It more accurately reflects the emphasis that your ability in every.single.examinable subject is important in the calculation (for better or worse).

And yes you are right, under this new calculation, my DS would only be able to qualify for the O level program, not the IP program at our target school.

But I am not the sort to place undue stress on him to reach for IP, if his ability is really not up to par. We do what we can. We work with what clay we are given, but don’t stretch it so thin until the pot breaks under the hot fire...

[floppy]

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And yes you are right, under this new calculation, my DS would only be able to qualify for the O level program, not the IP program at our target school.
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Therein lies the benefit of affiliation.
My guess is your target school OP would have an affiliated COP of 12 or 13 under the new system. Non-affiliated students would probably looking at a COP of 10 or even 9 :yikes: