West Spring Primary
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It’s been a year since my last post, have not been visiting it lately, but looks more like a gossip corner now that everything seems to be hearsay and more hearsay! Well again, it’s up to individuals to believe. Further reads was basically about parents trying to find answers using the wrong channels? Airing it here would it solves your problem? Ever thought about why school ask parents to address issues properly? That’s in order for them to act and respond appropriately lah… that’s all, is that so difficult to understand? Perhaps too afraid to reveal oneself?
By the way, what’s wrong being famous? Aren’t you proud if your alma mater is famous? Do you think it is easy to make a name out of nothing… a young school which is trying to grow and breathe yet instead of receiving help, kept being condemned unfairly based on hearsay, guesses and one sided stories?
Talking about courageous, to me, I would urge you to be bold enough to write in to the school and get the answers that you want instead of lamenting it here. How sure are you that there’s no top scorer for the P4 maths paper? Just by asking a few random parents that also have no idea? Yes, I help you dig deeper, there is, as high as A* .Is that the answer that you are looking for?
Isn’t it an act of defaming a school when there’s so many missing information from your side? A school where your child is still in…
Issues that happened over a year ago yet still harping on it sounds very bitter lah… move on, since the new school is that good, enjoy la! Oh ya remembered you said want people to know, ok we all knew, so ? But there’s a question that had been bugging me though, if only you had taken time to sign that GEP form, this whole sad episode would not have existed isn’t? Ever reflected on that ? Is it because of parents’ guilt, that you want everyone to knows… ok we got you there. Since you yourself mentioned that things had change in school so it proves that school does make and accept changes for the better. Is there a need to be a broken recorder?
Be fair to the school that had welcomes your children and you to be part of their family. Be fair to those parents who had taken time despite their busy schedules to help in volunteering in school and addressing issues here instead of calling them ‘cheerleaders’. They are the lot that knows how to be appreciative of the teachers hard work, assisting them in anyway they can so that eventually it benefits our own children and yours as well. They lightened up the teachers workloads not like some pretending to be concerned over hearsay of how teachers are being ill treated ? So while you posted all the negative things based on hearsay hoping that the cheerleaders will rebut, should I called you ‘haters’ then …
The thing is when school did something good nobody cares to say anything or comments because the feeling of entitlement. When some highlighted the positive sides it became an issue. So go figure… Teacher’s day is a celebration that celebrated in all school not only this school. Funds are collected by parents themselves and it is of goodwill. It varies how this occasion is being celebrated and this school has been having it since the very first year by a group of appreciative parents. For they understand the importance of gratitude and partnerships. And yes I’ve been here since day one and still glad that I can still find time to help out in school.
As for the ptm that mentioned, it’s known as Trialogue and it’s nothing new. Some parents found it hard to accept because it is a new adaptation of moving away from the old system. This school is one of the few that adopts it when first announced by the MOE. Other schools are practicing it as well, even secondary schools, just because, again not being informative, parents thought it’s only this school practicing it …ignorance? Not well informed enough? But then again if there’s a need to speak to your child’s subjects’ teachers, sent them an email la, this need me to teach you ?
I had journey long enough with this school to say that teachers and school leaders are doing their best for our children. The teachers’ welfare are being taken care off by the school. I’m addressing all these at one go as I’m also a busy parent who has a full time job, yet still cares.
That’s all I have to say, criticise as much as you like, at the end of the day not everyone sees the same light ~ the choice is yours• -
MagStar\" post_id=\"1928454\" time=\"1565693325\" user_id=\"110544:
I support your point.
It’s been a year since my last post, have not been visiting it lately, but looks more like a gossip corner now that everything seems to be hearsay and more hearsay! Well again, it’s up to individuals to believe. Further reads was basically about parents trying to find answers using the wrong channels? Airing it here would it solves your problem? Ever thought about why school ask parents to address issues properly? That’s in order for them to act and respond appropriately lah... that’s all, is that so difficult to understand? Perhaps too afraid to reveal oneself?
By the way, what’s wrong being famous? Aren’t you proud if your alma mater is famous? Do you think it is easy to make a name out of nothing... a young school which is trying to grow and breathe yet instead of receiving help, kept being condemned unfairly based on hearsay, guesses and one sided stories?
Talking about courageous, to me, I would urge you to be bold enough to write in to the school and get the answers that you want instead of lamenting it here. How sure are you that there’s no top scorer for the P4 maths paper? Just by asking a few random parents that also have no idea? Yes, I help you dig deeper, there is, as high as A* .Is that the answer that you are looking for?
Isn’t it an act of defaming a school when there’s so many missing information from your side? A school where your child is still in...
Issues that happened over a year ago yet still harping on it sounds very bitter lah... move on, since the new school is that good, enjoy la! Oh ya remembered you said want people to know, ok we all knew, so ? But there’s a question that had been bugging me though, if only you had taken time to sign that GEP form, this whole sad episode would not have existed isn’t? Ever reflected on that ? Is it because of parents’ guilt, that you want everyone to knows... ok we got you there. Since you yourself mentioned that things had change in school so it proves that school does make and accept changes for the better. Is there a need to be a broken recorder?
Be fair to the school that had welcomes your children and you to be part of their family. Be fair to those parents who had taken time despite their busy schedules to help in volunteering in school and addressing issues here instead of calling them ‘cheerleaders’. They are the lot that knows how to be appreciative of the teachers hard work, assisting them in anyway they can so that eventually it benefits our own children and yours as well. They lightened up the teachers workloads not like some pretending to be concerned over hearsay of how teachers are being ill treated ? So while you posted all the negative things based on hearsay hoping that the cheerleaders will rebut, should I called you ‘haters’ then ...
The thing is when school did something good nobody cares to say anything or comments because the feeling of entitlement. When some highlighted the positive sides it became an issue. So go figure... Teacher’s day is a celebration that celebrated in all school not only this school. Funds are collected by parents themselves and it is of goodwill. It varies how this occasion is being celebrated and this school has been having it since the very first year by a group of appreciative parents. For they understand the importance of gratitude and partnerships. And yes I’ve been here since day one and still glad that I can still find time to help out in school.
As for the ptm that mentioned, it’s known as Trialogue and it’s nothing new. Some parents found it hard to accept because it is a new adaptation of moving away from the old system. This school is one of the few that adopts it when first announced by the MOE. Other schools are practicing it as well, even secondary schools, just because, again not being informative, parents thought it’s only this school practicing it ...ignorance? Not well informed enough? But then again if there’s a need to speak to your child’s subjects’ teachers, sent them an email la, this need me to teach you ?
I had journey long enough with this school to say that teachers and school leaders are doing their best for our children. The teachers’ welfare are being taken care off by the school. I’m addressing all these at one go as I’m also a busy parent who has a full time job, yet still cares.
That’s all I have to say, criticise as much as you like, at the end of the day not everyone sees the same light ~ the choice is yours• -
parentfor2\" post_id=\"1927792\" time=\"1565398541\" user_id=\"178548:
When I showed the p4 maths paper to my relative, a teacher from another school, i heard a lot of things about this school. Whether they are rumors or not, I am not here to say. But it is quite shocking.
So cheerleaders pls clarify this: Is it true that the teachers r often verbally abused? Is it true that the teachers r often yelled at, mentally abused? Is it true that the teachers cannot speak up? Is it true then that that was why the first vp quit? Other teachers quit?
Why is it like that? It is very sad to hear this. At the end of the day we r all adults, treating each other like this is not ok. my friends child told us has seen her teacher enter classroom with tears in her eyes. not sure what happened.
Like u had mentioned, teachers are adults, hence I believe they would know what to do or who to escalate the matter to if they were indeed mistreated this way.
My son's teacher ever cried in front of the class. But it was due to her family member landed in hospital . Not necessarily work related. Just saying. -
MagStar\" post_id=\"1928454\" time=\"1565693325\" user_id=\"110544:
Aiyo auntie, calm down. You act as if we insulted you. It is a sch, once your child graduate, let see whether you still care or not.
It’s been a year since my last post, have not been visiting it lately, but looks more like a gossip corner now that everything seems to be hearsay and more hearsay! Well again, it’s up to individuals to believe. Further reads was basically about parents trying to find answers using the wrong channels? Airing it here would it solves your problem? Ever thought about why school ask parents to address issues properly? That’s in order for them to act and respond appropriately lah... that’s all, is that so difficult to understand? Perhaps too afraid to reveal oneself?
By the way, what’s wrong being famous? Aren’t you proud if your alma mater is famous? Do you think it is easy to make a name out of nothing... a young school which is trying to grow and breathe yet instead of receiving help, kept being condemned unfairly based on hearsay, guesses and one sided stories?
Talking about courageous, to me, I would urge you to be bold enough to write in to the school and get the answers that you want instead of lamenting it here. How sure are you that there’s no top scorer for the P4 maths paper? Just by asking a few random parents that also have no idea? Yes, I help you dig deeper, there is, as high as A* .Is that the answer that you are looking for?
Isn’t it an act of defaming a school when there’s so many missing information from your side? A school where your child is still in...
Issues that happened over a year ago yet still harping on it sounds very bitter lah... move on, since the new school is that good, enjoy la! Oh ya remembered you said want people to know, ok we all knew, so ? But there’s a question that had been bugging me though, if only you had taken time to sign that GEP form, this whole sad episode would not have existed isn’t? Ever reflected on that ? Is it because of parents’ guilt, that you want everyone to knows... ok we got you there. Since you yourself mentioned that things had change in school so it proves that school does make and accept changes for the better. Is there a need to be a broken recorder?
Be fair to the school that had welcomes your children and you to be part of their family. Be fair to those parents who had taken time despite their busy schedules to help in volunteering in school and addressing issues here instead of calling them ‘cheerleaders’. They are the lot that knows how to be appreciative of the teachers hard work, assisting them in anyway they can so that eventually it benefits our own children and yours as well. They lightened up the teachers workloads not like some pretending to be concerned over hearsay of how teachers are being ill treated ? So while you posted all the negative things based on hearsay hoping that the cheerleaders will rebut, should I called you ‘haters’ then ...
The thing is when school did something good nobody cares to say anything or comments because the feeling of entitlement. When some highlighted the positive sides it became an issue. So go figure... Teacher’s day is a celebration that celebrated in all school not only this school. Funds are collected by parents themselves and it is of goodwill. It varies how this occasion is being celebrated and this school has been having it since the very first year by a group of appreciative parents. For they understand the importance of gratitude and partnerships. And yes I’ve been here since day one and still glad that I can still find time to help out in school.
As for the ptm that mentioned, it’s known as Trialogue and it’s nothing new. Some parents found it hard to accept because it is a new adaptation of moving away from the old system. This school is one of the few that adopts it when first announced by the MOE. Other schools are practicing it as well, even secondary schools, just because, again not being informative, parents thought it’s only this school practicing it ...ignorance? Not well informed enough? But then again if there’s a need to speak to your child’s subjects’ teachers, sent them an email la, this need me to teach you ?
I had journey long enough with this school to say that teachers and school leaders are doing their best for our children. The teachers’ welfare are being taken care off by the school. I’m addressing all these at one go as I’m also a busy parent who has a full time job, yet still cares.
That’s all I have to say, criticise as much as you like, at the end of the day not everyone sees the same light ~ the choice is yours•
Just because we are not posting you wants to hear that doesn't mean it is gossip. It is certainly better than the propaganda that the cheerleaders have created.
I feel like you are addressing multiple posters at one time so I will just say this: Wrt to the P4 paper, yes it was brought up and I spoke to the HOD? of Maths, who also apparently left the sch, before everything. And yes it was also highlighted during trialogue. And about the banding... sorry there are no A star for P4 because they use banding. And when I clarified with the maths teacher, it was said that yes there were not as much as anticipated. In fact, one entire class failed and this is coming from what the students were told by the teacher, who also surprisingly left the sch.
Once again some of you want to police what is being written here. It is a free forum. we are allowed to speak our minds and we have done so.
\"a young school which is trying to grow and breathe yet instead of receiving help, kept being condemned unfairly based on hearsay, guesses and one sided stories? \"
once again just because it is not what you want to hear doesnt mean it is gossip or one-sided stories.
this is not about being fair. it is about being right. and at the end of the day, one right thing doesnt negate one wrong thing. we cannot say that just because the school is XXX or does YYY means it is ok for them to do ZZZ.
In fact in my posts I have admitted that the school does some good things as well. Sadly i cant say that the cheerleaders have taken a balanced view. -
This school no want people say complain in kiasu parents. School no want bad image.
friend tell me before teacher tell her kidz no complain to parent. -
Complain and get ready to get marked :stupid: :stupid:
Accidents happened and not handled appropriately, we also cannot complain.
Don't complain when serious things happened to your kids :xedfingers:
I noticed whenever negative feedback were given, more KiasuNewbie popped up out of nowhere :? :?
Register whole family here to help backup :rahrah: -
tryourbest\" post_id=\"1928486\" time=\"1565699794\" user_id=\"176900:
Escalate to who? Just asking.parentfor2\" post_id=\"1927792\" time=\"1565398541\" user_id=\"178548:
When I showed the p4 maths paper to my relative, a teacher from another school, i heard a lot of things about this school. Whether they are rumors or not, I am not here to say. But it is quite shocking.
So cheerleaders pls clarify this: Is it true that the teachers r often verbally abused? Is it true that the teachers r often yelled at, mentally abused? Is it true that the teachers cannot speak up? Is it true then that that was why the first vp quit? Other teachers quit?
Why is it like that? It is very sad to hear this. At the end of the day we r all adults, treating each other like this is not ok. my friends child told us has seen her teacher enter classroom with tears in her eyes. not sure what happened.
Like u had mentioned, teachers are adults, hence I believe they would know what to do or who to escalate the matter to if they were indeed mistreated this way.
My son's teacher ever cried in front of the class. But it was due to her family member landed in hospital . Not necessarily work related. Just saying. -
I have been reading these posts on and off. I am what you would call a lurker and not an active poster in the forums. However some recent events this year has made me extremely disappointed to the extent that I regret putting my son and faith in this school. So here I am to both vent out and get opinion and also to provide support to those who don’t agree with the overly sugar coated, Disneyland version of the school painted by the uber positive supporters.
Note to the cheerleaders - other posts in this forum corroborate some of my experiences so you may want to restrain the general offence you seem to take for every dissenting comment on the school.
My son will be going to P6 next year. Like all parents we have been monitoring his grades which took a huge dip in P5 and when we asked the teachers we were told that P5 is a huge jump from P4 and it is natural for children to struggle. That is the common consensus generally across the board in other schools as well and am okay with that. What I am not ok with is
a) When an entire class fails their maths in the exams regularly over the year.
This is after we felt that we had prepared my son well enough - the usual drills - assessment books, top school papers, everything that every normal parent would do for their child.
This is after the maths teacher told me that my son has a good chance of improving in SA2 when I spoke to him to see what help we parents can do to help my son do well.
b) When teachers can’t give honest answers to parent’s feedback and instead rely on stock answers. This happened during the PTM. The form teacher kept giving stock answers when I questioned why some papers were being set so tough.
c) When the school doesn’t allow parents to speak to all the teachers during the PTM. And when they have just one PTM a year - what about end of the year review? Isn’t that another opportunity to take stock of the situation?
d) When the school focuses more on students repeating verbatim word by word and not testing their knowledge. Had an exchange with the science teacher who insisted that scores were not given because the keyword was not there. But the explanation of the concept was correct in normal english and easy enough for a layman to understand. So the school is obviously more concerned about students who are able to vomit without understanding. My son was disappointed naturally so I told him am happy with his knowledge to cheer him up.
(And we wonder as a society why we are not creative enough - ministers tell us to be more creative when the entire system is hell bent on destroying it)
e) When, in the name of preparing students to be resilient for failure, the school sets really tough papers to the extent that students get demoralised. And the stock answer is that it helps them to be resilient. It does when they fail once and they fail forward. Meaning they get up and can do well the next time around.
Sadly that is not the case. When they set tough paper after tough paper and every time the child has to work harder for no reward, it only demoralises the child and eventually apathy sets in. which means they stop caring about their studies and sets them on the wrong path eventually.
I am also aware that there are a lot of parents who are disappointed with this school and are slowly venting out (like me) so dont be surprised if you hear more comments similar to mine.
I do also have to credit this school though. They have a fantastic marketing spiel on holistic education and learn through play. Fantastic enough for me to get sucked into it - carrot head as they say.
There are some good things though - CCAs are part of the day’s timing so the kids can come back home before 3 or 4 pm, focus on values and character etc.
That said, the weightage for those things is lower than the primary purpose of the school - educate and impart knowledge.
Looks like Disneyland from outside but frankly it is a Halloween park.
Really looking to change school if possible. Either Greenridge or Beacon. It may be too late in the day but if I can do something to salvage a year for my son, and an important year, why not? -
Hi Sidrobson
I understand how you felt. My P5 child practically failed all the papers this year! It becomes a setback to them. We as parents were totally shocked as I don’t expect my child to fare so badly that they can’t even pass 1 subject. Even with tuition, they still failed. There must be something wrong! I wanted to pull them out 2 yrs ago but hubby objected. So the decision to stay put is totally a bad idea. For now, we just have to struggle with it! :xedfingers: :?: -
sigh
I echo sidrobson and chatelaine have said. I know for a fact that I am not the only parent that feels this way. Please parents, and sidrobson and chatelaine, it is high time we bring this up to the minister.
I amdisappointed with West Spring. After receiving my child’s results, and also speaking to other parents as well from different levels, it is truly puzzling why i feel my child is not performing up to standard, up to the standard of the children from other schools…my own tuition agency tutor told me when she compared the students. On top of it, parents r being blamed that we are not doing a good job…
Am I a kiasu person? Sure. But this is my kid’s life. We cannot play play with the academic so that they can learn to have character…is it possible to do both at the same time? I am put off when the "chearleaders" suggested that we do not care for our kids’ characters because we are focused on academics. No, we are focused on both and the school is failing at BOTH.
"cheerleaders" just because sch dont focus on character doesnt mean the child has no character. it is our job as parents, and our religion to teach it as well. pls dont act so concern.
please the whole point of a school is to ALSO impart knowledge and get students to be academically strong. yes we dont want to overemphasis…doesnt mean UNDEREMPHASIS.
Like you sidrobson, I feel that the the sch does nt care.
imagine a clinic, the clinic keeps telling everyone it is the best clinic and the most happening clinic…but patients are dying in the clinic… is it a good clinic? same concept, your school many failures, kids education not up to standard… are u a school? get the fundamentals right pls.
I heard there r teachers leaving, good teachers leaving. i concur, there is smthing off about this school.
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