2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)
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slmkhoo\" post_id=\"1940488\" time=\"1570599820\" user_id=\"28674:
Not joining is OK initially until you see how things go. But if there is a lot going on, even informally, your child will be left out. I have kids of different personalities - my younger child hated being out of the loop, while my older one was quite happy to be left out! We eventually insisted that the older one get a phone because she often didn't know what was going on, turned up at the wrong place/time or brought the wrong things (or didn't bring what she was supposed to). We let the younger one have a phone because she was miserable when left out. Both were responsible users, so I don't regret letting have phones in early sec school. Parents do need to set rules and enforce them, especially initially, no matter when the phones are introduced. And you might want to consider that early-teens is better time to start imposing rules than mid-teens.bluepencil\" post_id=\"1940485\" time=\"1570599113\" user_id=\"165241:
Thanks for your thoughts. I guess in general kids can still do whatever they need by bringing thumbdrive, put in google docs and also using the school computer so there is no need to have a laptop.
Just use the home computer, school computer. (my problem is I don't have a good home computer)
As for phone i hope the schools or class form teacher will not have those chat groups
If its informal class chats, I can always ask my child not to join the group
I think that secondary school students would be very be focused in their group chats, unless they are those who are very introverted or simply bo chup students in class. My eldest is Sec 2 this year and hated the chat group as he finds it too distracting?
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dylanmummy2003\" post_id=\"1940522\" time=\"1570612123\" user_id=\"116705:
Laptop : depend on school. some school will use laptop and they will usually have their own preferred brand/model. best to wait till orientation before getting a laptop. if buy now and the model is not recommended by Sec sch, may have to get another onephtthp\" post_id=\"1940388\" time=\"1570570511\" user_id=\"35251:
Sec 1
is it compulsory that
- All students need to buy a laptop ?
- All students need to own a hand-phone, because class Teacher send whatsapp messages, through hand-phone ?
HP : not all schools allows HP. best to check with the Sec school on HP policy.
My son school, they do not allow HP usage in school. we only gave him a HP in Sec 3, due to CCA commitment. and he can only use it after school when he is at home, due to no HP policy in school
I think it would be good if schools can recommend the model of the laptop and if possible, work with the vendor to have \"roadshows\" or laptop booths which provides subsidised rates/ prices for the laptops.
I think schools should also step up on cybersecurity awareness and educate students on how to take care of their laptops (meh...) so that they will learn to be responsible for them. A laptop is not cheap. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"1940488\" time=\"1570599820\" user_id=\"28674:
Thanks, care to share what are your rules and limits? I know that every family is different. But I read somewhere in general no more than 2 hour screentime in total.
Not joining is OK initially until you see how things go. But if there is a lot going on, even informally, your child will be left out. I have kids of different personalities - my younger child hated being out of the loop, while my older one was quite happy to be left out! We eventually insisted that the older one get a phone because she often didn't know what was going on, turned up at the wrong place/time or brought the wrong things (or didn't bring what she was supposed to). We let the younger one have a phone because she was miserable when left out. Both were responsible users, so I don't regret letting have phones in early sec school. Parents do need to set rules and enforce them, especially initially, no matter when the phones are introduced. And you might want to consider that early-teens is better time to start imposing rules than mid-teens.bluepencil\" post_id=\"1940485\" time=\"1570599113\" user_id=\"165241:
Thanks for your thoughts. I guess in general kids can still do whatever they need by bringing thumbdrive, put in google docs and also using the school computer so there is no need to have a laptop.
Just use the home computer, school computer. (my problem is I don't have a good home computer)
As for phone i hope the schools or class form teacher will not have those chat groups
If its informal class chats, I can always ask my child not to join the group
The bigger problem is that classmates are using phone non stop, and this affects my child and give me a harder task to enforce rules. I wish I can use a scissors to cut off ties but the peer environment is really hard to control.
It's also hard when the child is unhappy once you enforce those rules, and this is puberty age
By far I find phones the worse of all compared to laptops somehow, for eye health even at least.
When you think about it, actually everywhere you also see adults looking at phones non stop... -
bluepencil\" post_id=\"1940552\" time=\"1570630524\" user_id=\"165241:
Thanks, care to share what are your rules and limits? I know that every family is different. But I read somewhere in general no more than 2 hour screentime in total.
Not joining is OK initially until you see how things go. But if there is a lot going on, even informally, your child will be left out. I have kids of different personalities - my younger child hated being out of the loop, while my older one was quite happy to be left out! We eventually insisted that the older one get a phone because she often didn't know what was going on, turned up at the wrong place/time or brought the wrong things (or didn't bring what she was supposed to). We let the younger one have a phone because she was miserable when left out. Both were responsible users, so I don't regret letting have phones in early sec school. Parents do need to set rules and enforce them, especially initially, no matter when the phones are introduced. And you might want to consider that early-teens is better time to start imposing rules than mid-teens.slmkhoo\" post_id=\"1940488\" time=\"1570599820\" user_id=\"28674:
[quote=bluepencil post_id=1940485 time=1570599113 user_id=165241]Thanks for your thoughts. I guess in general kids can still do whatever they need by bringing thumbdrive, put in google docs and also using the school computer so there is no need to have a laptop.
Just use the home computer, school computer. (my problem is I don't have a good home computer)
As for phone i hope the schools or class form teacher will not have those chat groups
If its informal class chats, I can always ask my child not to join the group
The bigger problem is that classmates are using phone non stop, and this affects my child and give me a harder task to enforce rules. I wish I can use a scissors to cut off ties but the peer environment is really hard to control.
It's also hard when the child is unhappy once you enforce those rules, and this is puberty age
By far I find phones the worse of all compared to laptops somehow, for eye health even at least.
When you think about it, actually everywhere you also see adults looking at phones non stop...[/quote]Thanks for sharing bluepencil, I think it's good you mentioned screentime for kids. I only let my kids use the computer for 1 hour as leisure and 2 hours for school-related work. Wonder if this reasonable? My spouse will help me to monitor the kids though. :hugs: :grphug: -
ShareShareLah\" post_id=\"1940551\" time=\"1570630369\" user_id=\"181541:
Laptop : depend on school. some school will use laptop and they will usually have their own preferred brand/model. best to wait till orientation before getting a laptop. if buy now and the model is not recommended by Sec sch, may have to get another onedylanmummy2003\" post_id=\"1940522\" time=\"1570612123\" user_id=\"116705:
[quote=phtthp post_id=1940388 time=1570570511 user_id=35251]Sec 1
is it compulsory that
- All students need to buy a laptop ?
- All students need to own a hand-phone, because class Teacher send whatsapp messages, through hand-phone ?
HP : not all schools allows HP. best to check with the Sec school on HP policy.
My son school, they do not allow HP usage in school. we only gave him a HP in Sec 3, due to CCA commitment. and he can only use it after school when he is at home, due to no HP policy in school
I think it would be good if schools can recommend the model of the laptop and if possible, work with the vendor to have \"roadshows\" or laptop booths which provides subsidised rates/ prices for the laptops.
I think schools should also step up on cybersecurity awareness and educate students on how to take care of their laptops (meh...) so that they will learn to be responsible for them. A laptop is not cheap.[/quote]Indeed, now when I think of all the good advice here, I should check out if any school deals or school specs. I didn't know that maybe schools have a specification. I thought just get the best possible to my budget standard laptop which actually can also be used at home when the current home one is not as capable when need to use for some multimedia etc -
ShareShareLah\" post_id=\"1940553\" time=\"1570630712\" user_id=\"181541:
Thanks for sharing bluepencil, I think it's good you mentioned screentime for kids. I only let my kids use the computer for 1 hour as leisure and 2 hours for school-related work. Wonder if this reasonable? My spouse will help me to monitor the kids though. :hugs: :grphug:[/quote]welcome! it's something like that
Thanks, care to share what are your rules and limits? I know that every family is different. But I read somewhere in general no more than 2 hour screentime in total.bluepencil\" post_id=\"1940552\" time=\"1570630524\" user_id=\"165241:
[quote=slmkhoo post_id=1940488 time=1570599820 user_id=28674]
Not joining is OK initially until you see how things go. But if there is a lot going on, even informally, your child will be left out. I have kids of different personalities - my younger child hated being out of the loop, while my older one was quite happy to be left out! We eventually insisted that the older one get a phone because she often didn't know what was going on, turned up at the wrong place/time or brought the wrong things (or didn't bring what she was supposed to). We let the younger one have a phone because she was miserable when left out. Both were responsible users, so I don't regret letting have phones in early sec school. Parents do need to set rules and enforce them, especially initially, no matter when the phones are introduced. And you might want to consider that early-teens is better time to start imposing rules than mid-teens.
The bigger problem is that classmates are using phone non stop, and this affects my child and give me a harder task to enforce rules. I wish I can use a scissors to cut off ties but the peer environment is really hard to control.
It's also hard when the child is unhappy once you enforce those rules, and this is puberty age
By far I find phones the worse of all compared to laptops somehow, for eye health even at least.
When you think about it, actually everywhere you also see adults looking at phones non stop...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pediatricians-no-more-than-2-hour-screen-time-kids/
but i mean in general if you talk to parenting or cousellors, they will always say you set your own rules and what is acceptable or not in your family.
And that's where I find it a bit hard, cos if I can I would rather be some parents here who says some kids don't use phone until Sec 3! quite unbelievable in my case -
bluepencil\" post_id=\"1940556\" time=\"1570631130\" user_id=\"165241:
welcome! it's something like that
Thanks for sharing bluepencil, I think it's good you mentioned screentime for kids. I only let my kids use the computer for 1 hour as leisure and 2 hours for school-related work. Wonder if this reasonable? My spouse will help me to monitor the kids though. :hugs: :grphug:ShareShareLah\" post_id=\"1940553\" time=\"1570630712\" user_id=\"181541:
[quote=bluepencil post_id=1940552 time=1570630524 user_id=165241]
Thanks, care to share what are your rules and limits? I know that every family is different. But I read somewhere in general no more than 2 hour screentime in total.
The bigger problem is that classmates are using phone non stop, and this affects my child and give me a harder task to enforce rules. I wish I can use a scissors to cut off ties but the peer environment is really hard to control.
It's also hard when the child is unhappy once you enforce those rules, and this is puberty age
By far I find phones the worse of all compared to laptops somehow, for eye health even at least.
When you think about it, actually everywhere you also see adults looking at phones non stop...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pediatricians-no-more-than-2-hour-screen-time-kids/
but i mean in general if you talk to parenting or cousellors, they will always say you set your own rules and what is acceptable or not in your family.
And that's where I find it a bit hard, cos if I can I would rather be some parents here who says some kids don't use phone until Sec 3! quite unbelievable in my case[/quote]
Me Too haha. :goodpost: Kids carry phones when they are so young nowadays :celebrate: -
bluepencil\" post_id=\"1940554\" time=\"1570630811\" user_id=\"165241:
Specifications:
Indeed, now when I think of all the good advice here, I should check out if any school deals or school specs. I didn't know that maybe schools have a specification. I thought just get the best possible to my budget standard laptop which actually can also be used at home when the current home one is not as capable when need to use for some multimedia etc
1. Runs Microsoft office - Word and PowerPoint
2. Runs an internet browser- preferably Chrome
3. Reasonable ‘speed’ (this isn’t a school spec but mostly not to frustrate the user)
You aren’t building a game machine and the secondary school laptop won’t be running Photoshop, Premiere, Visual Studio and other professional grade software. -
ShareShareLah\" post_id=\"1940562\" time=\"1570634943\" user_id=\"181541:
The younger they are, the stricter the rules. For sec school kids, parents have to have good reasons for the rules, and be prepared to show that they are abiding by the same principles (not necessarily the exact limits). For eg, no phones during meals, parents also put their phones aside for significant periods of the day, etc.
Me Too haha. :goodpost: Kids carry phones when they are so young nowadays :celebrate:
For my kids, we capped the time allowed for leisure computer use to 30 mins a day, but relaxed as they got older. By the time they were sec 4, we didn't really monitor, but they were being sensible. For phones, we set a cap of no more than 20 mins at a time, twice a day, for leisure and general chat. Our main rules were that they should not use their phones while walking around, while studying or doing homework, during meals, and they should not be checking every 5 mins! Phones were left in the living room during study time and by bedtime. We impressed on them that no-one needed to be connected all the time, and their friends could wait a couple of hours for a reply (unless in some real-time emergencies). They needed help initially in deciding how to manage, and how to communicate our rules to their friends, but we didn't have fights over phone or computer use. -
This is the article on mobile phone usage in schools after a court case surfaced where the (rich) parent sued the school.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/strict-rules-on-mobile-phone-use-in-many-schools-some-may-confiscate-phones-for
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