Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2020/2021

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PaPaK\" post_id=\"1976187\" time=\"1589609197\" user_id=\"180862:

I think for most the choice is clear - go overseas than studying medicine in Singapore. NUS over NTU for wider network and stronger establishment

There is no need to be so mesmerised by the ranking of these UK universities. Good ranking of these schools could be due to the publications of the staff. It may not necessarily translate to good teachings.

My son said some of his friends have offers from ICL, UCL when they do not even make the grades to our local universities interviews. The BMAT of their local students are way below that of our students (referring to UCL, ICL). Imagine the standard of the cohorts in these schools.

It is widely known that many overseas medical graduates knowledge are behind our local graduates although their communication skills tends to be better.

[Chenies]

Many Singaporeans are good students in UK. My son has 1st class 2 years running. His good friend is 2nd top in cohort in his course at Cambridge.

[Chenies]

I think the kids have a good time there, get to travel a lot during their break and have less gruelling coursework compared to Singapore. If doing well in established universities impresses, then it’s rather rewarding after all. I think the children must decide for themselves. They must like the idea of being on their own etc.

[PaPaK]

US or UK med schools, they aren’t ranked higher for no reason. Some of their students may not be as strong as our muggers, but we won’t be asking ICL or Duke for collaboration if we are of the same level.

[lee_yl]

Neo Family\" post_id=\"1976143\" time=\"1589593568\" user_id=\"185396:[quote=\"Neo Family\" post_id=1976143 time=1589593568 user_id=185396]
For clinical research:
Based on QS university medicine ranking 2020:
Oxford (2)
Cambridge (3)
UCL (8)
Imperial College (10)
Edinburge (19)
King’s College (20)
NUS YLL (21)
Choose Cambridge

For practicing medicine locally:
NUS YLL has local advantages and wider networking.
Choose NUS YLL

For cost and ROI:
Cambridge 6 years
NUS YLL 5 years
Cambridge estimated cost $750K (tuition + accommodation)
NUS YLL estimated cost $150K (tuition)
Choose NUS YLL

You need to ask your child which career path he/she wants to pursue, clinical research or practising medicine.

Reputation ranking of university in medicine does not really matter so much since their medicine course is controlled by the respective health authorities/ministry to meet certain standards. Important thing is the medicine degree must be recognized by our MOH if you want to practise medicine in SG. You never know when your overseas medicine degree will become not recognized by MOH, so it carries certain risk to study in overseas.[/quote]

Though NUS YLL is ranked lower, but I do have a friend’s daughter who can’t get into NUS (very competitive!) but got in to one of those med schools you listed, ranked higher than NUS though. :scratchhead:

Go Cambridge need $750K vs NUS $150K? If not on scholarship, I probably won’t send my kids overseas if they can get NUS YLL.

I find if one is good, you will automatically earn the good reputation, be it from Cambridge or NUS, patients will come knocking on your door.

I think NUS YLL will be good if one considers practicing med after grad in SG given the networking. as for Cambridge, maybe good if stay there after grad for research work. Given the state of UK economy, the economic benefits of a practicing doctor in UK won’t be better than that in S’pore.

[tiredmama]

I think we cannot have e mindset that just because overseas students’ bmat score or entry A level grades are not as superior as local SG kids @ point of admission, their intelligence or medical knowledge at end of degree will be any worse off than our kids in local Uni .


This is a slightly condescending attitude that is myopic . Especially a sweeping generalisation like this will result in us having a “better than thou” mentality . Yes , tests and results serve as a yardstick of competency & ability but I don’t think our kids are anywhere superior . Overseas Ed if one can afford it , is also about a holistic education & exposure … not necessarily restricted to med . If we always think that SG is e best , we will never improve by learning best practices and sending e top few lkc students to imperial every year which I believe is a coveted spot .

[Estéema]

tiredmama\" post_id=\"1976290\" time=\"1589686462\" user_id=\"8628:

I think we cannot have e mindset that just because overseas students’ bmat score or entry A level grades are not as superior as local SG kids @ point of admission, their intelligence or medical knowledge at end of degree will be any worse off than our kids in local Uni .

This is a slightly condescending attitude that is myopic . Especially a sweeping generalisation like this will result in us having a “better than thou” mentality . Yes , tests and results serve as a yardstick of competency & ability but I don’t think our kids are anywhere superior . Overseas Ed if one can afford it , is also about a holistic education & exposure ... not necessarily restricted to med . If we always think that SG is e best , we will never improve by learning best practices and sending e top few lkc students to imperial every year which I believe is a coveted spot .

You don’t sound like a tiredmama at all dear :snuggles:

Thank you for sharing such a balanced thot. Indeed, many of us hv felt superior abt our kids’ grades & achievements. But we really need to u'stand grades are not an end to itself. There’s always alot more to learn fr others. We need to keep an open mind.

[tiredmama]

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Estéema\" post_id=\"1976291\" time=\"1589687737\" user_id=\"66413:

haha I am tired !!! Need to knock my own head at times not to be delusional always

tiredmama\" post_id=\"1976290\" time=\"1589686462\" user_id=\"8628:

I think we cannot have e mindset that just because overseas students’ bmat score or entry A level grades are not as superior as local SG kids @ point of admission, their intelligence or medical knowledge at end of degree will be any worse off than our kids in local Uni .

This is a slightly condescending attitude that is myopic . Especially a sweeping generalisation like this will result in us having a “better than thou” mentality . Yes , tests and results serve as a yardstick of competency & ability but I don’t think our kids are anywhere superior . Overseas Ed if one can afford it , is also about a holistic education & exposure ... not necessarily restricted to med . If we always think that SG is e best , we will never improve by learning best practices and sending e top few lkc students to imperial every year which I believe is a coveted spot .

You don’t sound like a tiredmama at all dear :snuggles:

Thank you for sharing such a balanced thot. Indeed, many of us hv felt superior abt our kids’ grades & achievements. But we really need to u'stand grades are not an end to itself. There’s always alot more to learn fr others. We need to keep an open mind.

[HVR]

Interesting exchanging of views on the quality of local med schools vis-a-vis that of UK’s. I think they are all good and essentially, it all boils down to affordability. Obviously, the ROI will be better if attending the med schools locally. However, if the parents can sponsor the cost of the education, then an overseas education at a top notch UK med school is something that money can’t buy. For that matter, an overseas education experience at institutions such as Oxbridge, LSE, UCL, ICL etc is something a student can only experience once if privilege to secure a place there. It will broaden one’s horizon and through wider interactions with fellow international students, staff and industry stakeholders, it will enhance one’s networking and potentially beneficial for future career progressions.


The situation this year has been complicated by covid-19. Many students are pondering whether to study overseas and some have even decided to stay regardless of scholarships. It’s all individual’s (and their family, to some extend) choice after comprehensive consideration especially the opportunity cost. At the end of the day, we have to ultimately live with our decision. All the best to everyone!

[lee_yl]

As of today, MANY good/top students in Singapore can get into Cambridge/Oxford and other top notch overseas schools lah. Ironically, many overseas top universities also value their tie-ups with S’pore as their students get exposed to Asia in a cosmopolitan environment.


Covid-19 changes everything, the underlying racism in the Western countries shows up with blatant attacks on Asians and should there be subsequent waves of infection, under an overstretched medical system, will they save your child’s life ahead of a White?

Years later, we may look back at Covid-19 as the pivotal moment that confirms the decline of the West.