Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2020/2021
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I have no doubt about Imperial. Apart from the fact that YLL has very established alumni, close interaction with NUS nursing and slightly cheaper school fees, my biggest concern with LKC is when Imperial pulls out, then it becomes another SUTD after MIT pull out. The biggest draw for SUTD was MIT.
The risk of Imperial pulling out increases in the face of covid and brexit. I am not having my kid take such a risk. -
PaPaK\" post_id=\"1979694\" time=\"1591400054\" user_id=\"180862:
I am sure your fears are unwarranted. I agree that time changes things and may not be always the same but we still need a school to train doctors.
I have no doubt about Imperial. Apart from the fact that YLL has very established alumni, close interaction with NUS nursing and slightly cheaper school fees, my biggest concern with LKC is when Imperial pulls out, then it becomes another SUTD after MIT pull out. The biggest draw for SUTD was MIT.
The risk of Imperial pulling out increases in the face of covid and brexit. I am not having my kid take such a risk.
Besides NUS and NTU, we still have Duke-NUS. It may happen that one day either school would opt to conduct and offer Medicine as MD pathway instead of MBBS. Australia is one good example. Nothing is guaranteed or to remain unchange forever. -
You can go ahead and take such a risk. Duke-NUS is a completely different model.
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PaPaK\" post_id=\"1979694\" time=\"1591400054\" user_id=\"180862:
I think even ICL pull out -which there is nothing to suggest they will for the foreseeable future-, it will not render LKC a less qualify med school. Fact is, none of LKC nor YLL med degree will qualify the graduates to practice overseas. It is not recognised anywhere other than in SG. Even if ICL pull out from LKC, a med degree from LKC is still recognise by MOH. There is not much different as far as MOH is concerned, not when they readily accept doctors from countries such as India, Myanmar, Philippine etc if they meet the requirements.
I have no doubt about Imperial. Apart from the fact that YLL has very established alumni, close interaction with NUS nursing and slightly cheaper school fees, my biggest concern with LKC is when Imperial pulls out, then it becomes another SUTD after MIT pull out. The biggest draw for SUTD was MIT.
The risk of Imperial pulling out increases in the face of covid and brexit. I am not having my kid take such a risk. -
peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979660\" time=\"1591362456\" user_id=\"184656:
LkC and NUS MBBS no difference in degree context.
The syllabus is important to take note
because NUS learns everything normal in the body in year 1, everything abnormal in the body in year 2 and then year 3-5 is clinical postings.
NTU is by systems, so u will have clinical postings from year 1 onwards, but u won't learn everything in the body till u finish your 5 years.
The biggest benefit of NUS medicine is cadavers, because the anatomy of the body in textbooks is super different from what you would see in real humans.
It will help a lot in anatomy and trying to figure stuff out in the future during surgical postings .
For NTU medicine the good thing is team based learning , so if you prefer that learning style then NTU.
NTU is ipad cadaver.Digital one.
NTU if you go its a lot of home based learning because the lectures all online,
So discipline is important.
It also emphasise a lot on team based learning, so a lot of discussion.
Peterfamily: Again you have gotten your facts wrong.
Syllabus
LKC pre-clinical years teaching by systems is completed by year 2. Year 3 students are ready for clinical attachments. LKC syllabus is jointly developed by imperial college (Top 10 medical school in the world) and NTU.
NTU and Imperial have created an innovative and modern curriculum that incorporates the flipped classroom and team-based learning with simulation and apprenticeships, delivered in state-of-the-art facilities in Novena. It is a new DNA into medical education that even Imperial is envious of. Outstanding professors and staff from Imperial are seconded to LKC to teach and inspire our next generation of doctors and local staff.
There is no need to goto London for world class medical education. London has come to Singapore.
A Big name degree from LKC Imperial College opens you to post graduate opportunities in the world.
Early Clinical Exposure
When you study medicine during Basic Sciences, you think like a student. Early clinical training will make you think like a physician. As you apply what you learned from your lectures, you’ll have a better understanding of what to expect in rotations. Early clinical exposure will increase students interest and enhance their learning in clinical subjects.
Early clinical experiences is often associated with better academic performance, career interest in relevant specialties, improvement in the “shock of practice” as students transition into clinical settings, and greater comfort entering direct contact with real patients.
Plastinated Models vs Live Cadavar
When inexperienced student dissectors worked on cadavar, enormous amount of time were spent \"picking fat\" and otherwise cleaning anatomical structures, there are lots of loss of delicate structures due to aggressive dissection by inexperienced students, loss of superficial structures and their relationships when dissecting deeper structures.
Plastinated human specimens on the other hand, can be used to demonstrate difficult structures and dissection areas in 'high-definition', such as the blood vessels in the brain or the nerves in the spine. Such intricate details, essential in learning anatomy, will start degrading in traditionally preserved cadavers after repeated use.
In LKC, anatomy classes are also supplemented by the use of the Anatomage Table, which displays life-sized 3D images of full body anatomy using computed tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans, allowing students to view the body's internal structures. LKC is the first medical school in Singapore to adopt the Anatomage Table. The combination of the plastinated human specimens, Anatomage Table and histology slides will enable students to learn about the entire human body from the outside to inside, and down to the cellular level much to the envy of other world class medical schools including Imperial themselves.
Such cutting-edge teaching tools are one of the benefits a new medical school has, with world-class facilities and a clinically-relevant curriculum.
If you are mesmeried by the need to dissect cadavier in order to understand anatomy, I suggest you or your son can try speaking to some surgeons about how important this part of medical school education is.
In surgical residency, there will be lots and lots of opportunities for them to practice their dissection skills. By then, they probably will be in a better position to understand what they are seeing and dissecting.
Team Based Learning and Tutorial in LKC
A Team-Based Learning (TBL) session begins by preparing for the class by studying learning materials. These include voice-over Power-Points, specially made iBooks, pre-recorded lectures and interviews with scientists and clinicians. Once in class, students use your iPad to take an individual quiz which is based on the assigned learning material to check their learning. Immediately after this, discuss and answer the same quiz with their assigned team members. The students receives immediate feedback on how well they understood the material.
These individual and team quizzes form the Readiness Assurance Process (RAP). A TBL facilitator and one or more content experts are present to address any questions and concerns from the class. The discussion ensures students have full understanding of the complex principles in the material. This process prepares students for the final stage in TBL, the Application Exercises (AEs). These AEs reinforce key concepts and give students insight into the authentic problems and situations that doctors may encounter. Teams discuss each AE and come to a decision on the best answers for each of the questions. Students defend and debate the reasons for your team’s answers. In this final stage, expert faculty discuss and evaluate answers and conclude by addressing the learning outcomes achieved for the TBL session. Team members support each other in their learning.
It is not Home Based learning as u claim.
Btw, Dr Ng Eng Hen, our ex Education Minister, previously a renowned breast surgeon and his wife, Prof Ivy Ng, Singhealth CEO has endorsed LKCmedicine by placing their eldest daughter at the pioneer batch. I also personally know many other renowned doctors whose children are in LKC. Their names, unfortunately, I could not name here. If the programme at LKC are inadequate as you claimed, I am very sure they would have moved their children to study elsewhere.
So far, the feedbacks I received from the medical fraternity are that the LKC graduates are knowledgeable and impressive.
Hope this helps to give you a better picture of education at LKC. -
PaPaK\" post_id=\"1979733\" time=\"1591421298\" user_id=\"180862:
There is no risk. This year students will graduate in 2025. NTU Imperial College affiliation stays. So take advantage of a world class medical school curriculum with outstanding imperial teaching staff if you have the chance. Students in LKC are happy with the school. They are treated well.
You can go ahead and take such a risk. Duke-NUS is a completely different model.
You get the best of both worlds... World class medical education, fused with local knowledge, diseases and local systems at a fraction of what you will get if you goto Imperial College London.
UK medical education trains them to be a person. Local medical school trains them to be doctors. LKC is an excellent fusion.
My son turned down PSC scholarship, YLL to accept LKC. -
UK Medicine QS 2019 Ranking (Pedagogy):
1. Oxford (Traditional)
2. Cambridge (Traditional)
3. UCL (Integrated)
4. Imperial College (Integrated)
5. KCL (Integrated)
6. Edinburgh (Integrated)
7. Manchester (PBL)
8. Glasgow (Integrated)
9. QML (PBL)
10. Birmingham (Integrated)
11. Bristol (Integrated)
12. Southampton (Integrated)
13. Sheffield (Integrated)
TBL is quite similar to PBL.
If TBL is really good, most of the medical schools will adopt it. Even Imperial College don’t use TBL fully.
Personally still prefer traditional lectures and tutorials pedagogy which our JC students are familiar with. -
Both NUS and NTU study finish content in y1 and y2. (Theory) Y3-y5 work in hospitals. (Practical)
Teaching style and curriculum very similar in NUS and NTU. I did my own research extensively,
no difference.
NUS got real dead body. NTU no real dead body.
NTU connection with imperial useless because cannot go to UK be doctor after graduate from NTU.
Only for show.
NUS is more well known because it has been here for longer. NTU new.
In terms of social networking, maybe NUS have advantage because it is older and have many years of seniors doctors and professors.
In terms of advantage for consideration for specialisation, equal opportunities for all because medical doctors are accessed in housemanship year and their residency years after graduation.
And specialisation training take place locally.
Nus and ntu curriculum no difference.
NTU and NUS are both good.
No issues.
We choose NUS only because:
- cheaper school fees
- convenient location to our house -
Neo Family\" post_id=\"1979799\" time=\"1591445681\" user_id=\"185396:[quote=\"Neo Family\" post_id=1979799 time=1591445681 user_id=185396]
TBL is not similar to PBL.
UK Medicine QS 2019 Ranking (Pedagogy):
1. Oxford (Traditional)
2. Cambridge (Traditional)
3. UCL (Integrated)
4. Imperial College (Integrated)
5. KCL (Integrated)
6. Edinburgh (Integrated)
7. Manchester (PBL)
8. Glasgow (Integrated)
9. QML (PBL)
10. Birmingham (Integrated)
11. Bristol (Integrated)
12. Southampton (Integrated)
13. Sheffield (Integrated)
TBL is quite similar to PBL.
If TBL is really good, most of the medical schools will adopt it. Even Imperial College don’t use TBL fully.
Personally still prefer traditional lectures and tutorials pedagogy which our JC students are familiar with.[/quote]
You should ask YLL students how many % of their students skip lectures and why they skip the lectures
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Neo Family\" post_id=\"1979799\" time=\"1591445681\" user_id=\"185396:[quote=\"Neo Family\" post_id=1979799 time=1591445681 user_id=185396]
TBL is not similar to PBL.
UK Medicine QS 2019 Ranking (Pedagogy):
1. Oxford (Traditional)
2. Cambridge (Traditional)
3. UCL (Integrated)
4. Imperial College (Integrated)
5. KCL (Integrated)
6. Edinburgh (Integrated)
7. Manchester (PBL)
8. Glasgow (Integrated)
9. QML (PBL)
10. Birmingham (Integrated)
11. Bristol (Integrated)
12. Southampton (Integrated)
13. Sheffield (Integrated)
TBL is quite similar to PBL.
If TBL is really good, most of the medical schools will adopt it. Even Imperial College don’t use TBL fully.
Personally still prefer traditional lectures and tutorials pedagogy which our JC students are familiar with.[/quote]
You should ask YLL students how many % of their students skip lectures and why they skip the lectures
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