Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2020/2021
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Neo Family\" post_id=\"1979827\" time=\"1591461137\" user_id=\"185396:[quote=\"Neo Family\" post_id=1979827 time=1591461137 user_id=185396]
You are confused by PeterFamily. Let us explain again..It is not to skip lectures all the way...
TBL means self study, no lecture. This is equivalent to skip lectures all the way.[/quote]
A Team-Based Learning (TBL) session begins by preparing for the class by studying learning materials. These include voice-over Power-Points, specially made iBooks, pre-recorded lectures and interviews with scientists and clinicians. Once in class, students use your iPad to take an individual quiz which is based on the assigned learning material to check their learning. Immediately after this, discuss and answer the same quiz with their assigned team members. The students receives immediate feedback on how well they understood the material.
These individual and team quizzes form the Readiness Assurance Process (RAP). A TBL facilitator and one or more content experts are present to address any questions and concerns from the class. The discussion ensures students have full understanding of the complex principles in the material. This process prepares students for the final stage in TBL, the Application Exercises (AEs). These AEs reinforce key concepts and give students insight into the authentic problems and situations that doctors may encounter. Teams discuss each AE and come to a decision on the best answers for each of the questions. Students defend and debate the reasons for your team’s answers. In this final stage, expert faculty discuss and evaluate answers and conclude by addressing the learning outcomes achieved for the TBL session. Team members support each other in their learning. -
Let’s all remember, regardless of the value of the MBBS, MD and the varying prestige of the various schools, the main reason for wanting to be a doctor should be to serve the community. In which case, the brightest and best students aren’t always the best doctors. After all that is said and done, one shouldn’t be overly concerned with the nature of the awarded degree and how it can further one’s position on the social ladder, financial position or prestige in the higher echelon of society. Such thinking goes against what a doctor should really be concerned about: the patients they serve. The pursuit of prestige will never lead to happiness for there will always be someone brighter, smarter. And even when you have reached the top of the social ladder, there will be someone younger than you and you realise that your ladder has been leaning against the wrong wall, for in the highest echelon of society, the majority aren’t doctors. Regardless of which medical school you/your child has picked, be grateful for what there is. Take it from someone who has failed to get into med schools 5 times over multiple years and just wants to make a difference regardless of schools/specialisations.
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peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979869\" time=\"1591513211\" user_id=\"184656:
That's the beauty of Singapore meritocratic system. You do not need 'connection' to succeed in our system. You can rely on your own effort....Whether you are Dr Ng's daughter or otherwise, our children have equal opportunities to success in Singapore.
President Trump sent daughter to ABC university to study Law.
President Indonesia joko Widodo sent son to study CCC university in Singapore.
Then we made conclusion that this is the best local university , it don't sound logic.
The richest and the powerful people never send their children to the best school and best course. Because they don't need the certificate to Change their life.
LKC innovative curriculum was developed by a team within the Faculty of Medicine at Imperial in partnership with NTU. The course falls under the regulations of the UK Quality Assurance Agency (QAA) as well as the quality assurance requirements imposed by the Singapore Medical Council (SMC).
You do not need Dr Ng Eng Hen's endorsement. Imperial College quality education is respected in the world. Top 10 world renowned medical school in the world.
The standard of the MBBS awarded by Imperial and NTU is of the same high standard as that awarded by Imperial in London. And it now available in Singapore available to students of LKC medicine. Yay... -
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I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all. -
daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979891\" time=\"1591518984\" user_id=\"186031:
Coming from someone who has worked in the UK healthcare system and studied in UK University, I have a better understanding of how the system works.
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I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all.
I suggest you speak to doctors in UK to find out more about how to get postings for overseas doctors. Some information are just privileged
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I’m currently studying Medicine in UCL. I know the situation. I doubt you work as a doctor in UK. If not you would have know the situation in UK. Previously there was resident labour market testing in selecting for specialty training posts and all international students are only allowed to apply in second round. UK government just lifted RLMT recently, however, it is still difficult for international students to get limited training post in UK especially for competitive specialties such as surgery, cardiology or anaesthesiology unless your son wants to pursue emergency medicine, geriatrics or palliative medicine. It is okay not to share with us but I know the situation as I’m studying Medicine in UK. A lot of international graduates went back to their home country because they could not get their desire specialty training posts. It is too naive thinking that one’s can easily get a training post in UK easily just because of a joint degree with imperial. LKC degree is not even recognised by GMC, you have to sit for PLAB in order to work in UK and you will be considered as international medical graduate. Even the graduates of offshore Newcastle medical school in Malaysia are having a hard time getting a training post and that degree is recognised by General Medical Council, what more a joint degree with imperial which is not recognised by GMC. I think you should really speak to someone working in UK as a doctor to understand the specialty training pathway in UK. -
daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979894\" time=\"1591520095\" user_id=\"186031:
Daniel, I feel sad for you. I know of many Singapore students studying in lower tier UK universities who are already in residency postings in various hospitals in UK.. U need to navigate your way and of course you have to prove that you are good in what you are doing. These students that I know are very good in their work.
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I'm currently studying Medicine in UCL. I know the situation. I doubt u work as a doctor in UK. If not you would have know the situation in UK. Previously there is resident labour market testing in selecting for selecting specialty training posts. UK government just remove RLMT recently, however, it is still difficult for international student to get training post in UK especially competitive specialties such as surgery, cardiology or anaesthesiology. It is okay not to share with us but I know the situation as I'm studying Medicine in UK. A lot of international graduate went back to their home country because they cannot get their desire specialty. I think u can continue being naive thinking you can easily get training posts in UK easily just with an joint degree with imperial.
I have left the UK healthcare.. working in SG healthcare now
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daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979891\" time=\"1591518984\" user_id=\"186031:
I am not too sure about UK but I am inclined to think what you said is true based on the trend in Australia and SG. Students who graduated from Australia med schools are unable to secure even housemanship after graduation. In some cases, they may have to accept rural postings just to secure housemanship. In SG, no problem with housemanship but to specialise, it is very competitive. Too many specialists for too little asst consultant and consultant post. Majority of doctors will become medical officers or general practitioners. Specialisation is not a given and only achievable for minority and it take at least 10 years after leaving med school to achieve that. I won't be surprise that UK med students are having problem securing training opportunities.
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I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all. -
HVR\" post_id=\"1979901\" time=\"1591522651\" user_id=\"32808:
It is very protected turf in Australia. They only want your international student school fees.
I am not too sure about UK but I am inclined to think what you said is true based on the trend in Australia and SG. Students who graduated from Australia med schools are unable to secure even housemanship after graduation. In some cases, they may have to accept rural postings just to secure housemanship. In SG, no problem with housemanship but to specialise, it is very competitive. Too many specialists for too little asst consultant and consultant post. Majority of doctors will become medical officers or general practitioners. Specialisation is not a given and only achievable for minority and it take at least 10 years after leaving med school to achieve that. I won't be surprise that UK med students are having problem securing training opportunities.daniellimsw\" post_id=\"1979891\" time=\"1591518984\" user_id=\"186031:
Scissor Paper Stone
I think you are too naive thinking that having a joint degree with imperial will help to get training posts in overseas. In UK, specialty training posts will be given to EU and British citizen first. Even international students graduate in UK medical schools such as Imperial and UCL are having difficult time in getting a specialty training post, how would studying in an offshore imperial medical school in Singapore will help to get training posts in UK. Moreover, studying in LKC come with a bond to work in Singapore. I do not see any opportunity to go overseas posting or training unless you are willing to break the bond. But please do share what do you mean by having imperial connection can help in overseas posting, I do not see any help at all.
Yes, Singapore wants more generalists than specialists now.
Training opportunities are still available in UK if you are good. -
Of course there will be some international medical graduates getting training posts in UK. I’m just trying to say that having a joint degree would not help you that much in getting a training post. As you have said you have to work hard to get it. I know a graduate from Indian medical school managed to get training post in General Surgery. By the way there is no residency in UK. There are only training and non-training posts in UK. There will be 2 competitive entry points into specialty training with is core medical/surgical training and higher medical/surgical training. Some specialty will have run through such as radiology, O and G, paediatrics and ophthalmology. As you can see, getting a training in UK is very competitive. You have will work hard and proof that you deserve a training post. My point is, having a joint degree with imperial probably will not guarantee you a training post in UK.
As for United States, unless you are graduate from US medical schools, forget about surgery, orthopaedic surgery, neurosurgery, radiology, dermatology even graduate from oxford and UCL only manage to match to internal medicine, paediatrics, emergency medicine and neurology. Unless you have US clinical experiences which are extremely competitive and the fees are expensive, having a joint degree will not help you to get a residency post in US. Your USMLE score and US experience is the one determine if you are going to get a spot or not
Hard work will mainly help you to get a training/residency spots, not because of the school name. Therefore you should not choose LKC just because it is linked to imperial. You should consider other factors too such as the teaching methods which by far the most important factor.
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