Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2020/2021
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Desmond Tang\" post_id=\"1986558\" time=\"1595148067\" user_id=\"185268:[quote=\"Desmond Tang\" post_id=1986558 time=1595148067 user_id=185268]
proudmum\" post_id=\"1986551\" time=\"1595144567\" user_id=\"1755:
\"Proudmum\" is right, this year 2019 medicine has been diversified. MOE has proposed that NUS/NTU medicine school to have more diversity in their intake selection. You can read the news here https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/more-aptitude-based-varsity-admissions-to-shift-emphasis-away-from-academic
Beside looking at academic history, leadership qualities, CCA and credentials, they are looking for applicants with exceptional abilities. Example during MMI interviews, 2 students were being posed the same questions. Student A presented it in context done in accordance with convention or etiquette practices in medicine. Student B presented it out of context and deviated away from the main point by joking its way out of the questions. The interviewers felt good and student B aced through the MMI and got offered. Whereas student A, who had all the credibility academically, good CCA, doing voluntary works and credentials, was not successful. Both were from the same elite school. This year many top students were shocked at the results of the shortlist process.
It's not easy to get in to study medicine. You must have the special touches they are looking for besides very good academic results and all rounder.This year selection criteria for both YLL and LKC med schools are indeed very different. YLL rejected applicant with 8-Distinction (only 70 students in RI cohort scored 8* or more), while LKC accepted. -
Yes, this year’s selection criteria quite weird… Has anyone heard from LKC?
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Jadescaper\" post_id=\"1986560\" time=\"1595152233\" user_id=\"185976:
This year selection criterias for both YLL and LKC med schools are indeed very different. YLL rejected applicants with 8-Distinction (only 70 students in RI cohort scored 8* or more), while LKC accepted.[/quote]These 8* students are probably high achievers thus they scored very high Bmat which is ranked highly in LKC selection criterias. Dean of LKC said at one of the interview that those who are admitted to LKC are mostly straight As students. Of course, their performance at the MMIs, CCA leadership qualities, voluntary work, dr shallowing, hospital & care experience, personal qualities, references, testimonials etc played a big part.
\"Proudmum\" is right, this year 2019 medicine has been diversified. MOE has proposed that NUS/NTU medicine school to have more diversity in their intake selection. You can read the news here https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/more-aptitude-based-varsity-admissions-to-shift-emphasis-away-from-academicDesmond Tang\" post_id=\"1986558\" time=\"1595148067\" user_id=\"185268:[quote=\"Desmond Tang\" post_id=1986558 time=1595148067 user_id=185268]
I believe there are much fewer RI, HCI students in the 2020 NUS YLL cohort. MOE wants diversity in the cohort. So opportunities are given to those in neighbourhood JCs, poly, NUSH, IB. It has shifted away from favouring RI/HCI in the cohort unlike in previous years.
NTU admission includes BMAT as an important selection criteria which means only those with good BMAT are selected for interviews. So naturally there is a higher % of RI, HCI in NTU LKC than NUS YLL.
Beside looking at academic history, leadership qualities, CCA and credentials, they are looking for applicants with exceptional abilities. Example during MMI interviews, 2 students were being posed the same questions. Student A presented it in context done in accordance with convention or etiquette practices in medicine. Student B presented it out of context and deviated away from the main point by joking its way out of the questions. The interviewers felt good and student B aced through the MMI and got offered. Whereas student A, who had all the credibility academically, good CCA, doing voluntary works and credentials, was not successful. Both were from the same elite school. This year many top students were shocked at the results of the shortlist process.
It's not easy to get in to study medicine. You must have the special touches they are looking for besides very good academic results and all rounder.
However, this year, we have also seen quite a number of students with highly impressive portfolios of CCA leaderships, H3 distinction, straight A* and high Bmat who did not receive any offer from any medical school. Some decided to goto UK while others settle for bioscience courses.
We have also seen students with 5* who made it to YLL.
There are also students with offers from Cambridge, Imperial, UCL that are not offered by YLL.
So, I can only conclude, this entire admission exercise has a element of luck (tee kiam, tee kiam).
What u can only do is to cast your net wide and apply to as many medical schools as you can. This will increase your change of an offer.
All the best to all students.... -
My sensing is that besides favouring non-RI/ HCI Jcs, YLL is looking for a certain kind of personality, ie those who will make good General Practitioners eg those who are relaxed/ cheerful and can connect well with people and not so much the academic types. As for LKC, I am surprised that those with high BMATs were not offered a place. It could be that their MMI did not go well.
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lunchmoney\" post_id=\"1986569\" time=\"1595160933\" user_id=\"186048:
There were only 2 stations this year for YLL. No SJT. One station to talk about yourself and another ethnic station. I honestly do not see how that single interviewer could sieve out the personality and motivation of a student based on a less than 10 mins interview. LKC has 5 stations this year with 5 interviewers. Very fast moving and much more challenging than YLL. Bmat is not merely an academic test. It tests the natural abilities of the kids too.
My sensing is that besides favouring non-RI/ HCI Jcs, YLL is looking for a certain kind of personality, ie those who will make good General Practitioners eg those who are relaxed/ cheerful and can connect well with people and not so much the academic types. As for LKC, I am surprised that those with high BMATs were not offered a place. It could be that their MMI did not go well.
Yup, quite a few very impressive RI kids with straight As, h3 distinctions, high Bmat, impressive cca leaderships, research, olympaid winners, did not get any offer this year. They have very nice personalities too. Think they took up other scholarships in the end. I am sure these other scholarship interviews also look for excellent personalities and leadership qualities... That's why I said, all tee kiam tee kiam
... Selection committee has the final say and u do not know what they look out for.
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lunchmoney\" post_id=\"1986569\" time=\"1595160933\" user_id=\"186048:
There were only 2 stations this year for YLL. No SJT. One station to talk about yourself and another ethnic station. I honestly do not see how that single interviewer could sieve out the personality and motivation of a student based on a less than 10 mins interview. LKC has 5 stations this year with 5 interviewers. Very fast moving and much more challenging than YLL. Bmat is not merely an academic test. It tests the natural abilities of the kids too.
My sensing is that besides favouring non-RI/ HCI Jcs, YLL is looking for a certain kind of personality, ie those who will make good General Practitioners eg those who are relaxed/ cheerful and can connect well with people and not so much the academic types. As for LKC, I am surprised that those with high BMATs were not offered a place. It could be that their MMI did not go well.
Yup, quite a few very impressive RI kids with straight As, h3 distinctions, high Bmat, impressive cca leaderships, research, olympaid winners, did not get any offer this year. They have very nice personalities too. Think they took up other scholarships in the end. I am sure these other scholarship interviews also look for excellent personalities and leadership qualities... That's why I said, all tee kiam tee kiam ... Selection committee has the final say and u do not know what they look out for.
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proudmum\" post_id=\"1986575\" time=\"1595166684\" user_id=\"1755:
This years interviews are via the Camera and not human face to face, this set up was throughout the whole interview period even during NUS first few days onsite interview, so probably the interview process was prepared to be recorded. Although the interviews were done on only 2 stations, but the selection process could be based on many professionals judgement, possibly involve AI.
There were only 2 stations this year for YLL. No SJT. One station to talk about yourself and another ethnic station. I honestly do not see how that single interviewer could sieve out the personality and motivation of a student based on a less than 10 mins interview. LKC has 5 stations this year with 5 interviewers. Very fast moving and much more challenging than YLL. Bmat is not merely an academic test. It tests the natural abilities of the kids too.lunchmoney\" post_id=\"1986569\" time=\"1595160933\" user_id=\"186048:
My sensing is that besides favouring non-RI/ HCI Jcs, YLL is looking for a certain kind of personality, ie those who will make good General Practitioners eg those who are relaxed/ cheerful and can connect well with people and not so much the academic types. As for LKC, I am surprised that those with high BMATs were not offered a place. It could be that their MMI did not go well.
Yup, quite a few very impressive RI kids with straight As, h3 distinctions, high Bmat, impressive cca leaderships, research, olympaid winners, did not get any offer this year. They have very nice personalities too. Think they took up other scholarships in the end. I am sure these other scholarship interviews also look for excellent personalities and leadership qualities... That's why I said, all tee kiam tee kiam ... Selection committee has the final say and u do not know what they look out for.
And some more, to be a good medical doctor does not means it is necessary need top academic quality student, Top CCA leadships. it is more on personality such as Compassion..... -
Seya\" post_id=\"1986642\" time=\"1595215639\" user_id=\"94307:
This years interviews are via the Camera and not human face to face, this set up was throughout the whole interview period even during NUS first few days onsite interview, so probably the interview process was prepared to be recorded. Although the interviews were done on only 2 stations, but the selection process could be based on many professionals judgement, possibly involve AI.
There were only 2 stations this year for YLL. No SJT. One station to talk about yourself and another ethnic station. I honestly do not see how that single interviewer could sieve out the personality and motivation of a student based on a less than 10 mins interview. LKC has 5 stations this year with 5 interviewers. Very fast moving and much more challenging than YLL. Bmat is not merely an academic test. It tests the natural abilities of the kids too.proudmum\" post_id=\"1986575\" time=\"1595166684\" user_id=\"1755:
[quote=lunchmoney post_id=1986569 time=1595160933 user_id=186048]My sensing is that besides favouring non-RI/ HCI Jcs, YLL is looking for a certain kind of personality, ie those who will make good General Practitioners eg those who are relaxed/ cheerful and can connect well with people and not so much the academic types. As for LKC, I am surprised that those with high BMATs were not offered a place. It could be that their MMI did not go well.
Yup, quite a few very impressive RI kids with straight As, h3 distinctions, high Bmat, impressive cca leaderships, research, olympaid winners, did not get any offer this year. They have very nice personalities too. Think they took up other scholarships in the end. I am sure these other scholarship interviews also look for excellent personalities and leadership qualities... That's why I said, all tee kiam tee kiam ... Selection committee has the final say and u do not know what they look out for.
And some more, to be a good medical doctor does not means it is necessary need top academic quality student, it is more on personality such as Compassion.....[/quote]Research has shown how unreliable interviews are. That is why employees are put on probation for jobs. Just a 10 mins interview is difficult to assess how compassionate a student is, guess work at best. -
Seya\" post_id=\"1986642\" time=\"1595215639\" user_id=\"94307:
This years interviews are via the Camera and not human face to face, this set up was throughout the whole interview period even during NUS first few days onsite interview, so probably the interview process was prepared to be recorded. Although the interviews were done on only 2 stations, but the selection process could be based on many professionals judgement, possibly involve AI.
There were only 2 stations this year for YLL. No SJT. One station to talk about yourself and another ethnic station. I honestly do not see how that single interviewer could sieve out the personality and motivation of a student based on a less than 10 mins interview. LKC has 5 stations this year with 5 interviewers. Very fast moving and much more challenging than YLL. Bmat is not merely an academic test. It tests the natural abilities of the kids too.proudmum\" post_id=\"1986575\" time=\"1595166684\" user_id=\"1755:
[quote=lunchmoney post_id=1986569 time=1595160933 user_id=186048]My sensing is that besides favouring non-RI/ HCI Jcs, YLL is looking for a certain kind of personality, ie those who will make good General Practitioners eg those who are relaxed/ cheerful and can connect well with people and not so much the academic types. As for LKC, I am surprised that those with high BMATs were not offered a place. It could be that their MMI did not go well.
Yup, quite a few very impressive RI kids with straight As, h3 distinctions, high Bmat, impressive cca leaderships, research, olympaid winners, did not get any offer this year. They have very nice personalities too. Think they took up other scholarships in the end. I am sure these other scholarship interviews also look for excellent personalities and leadership qualities... That's why I said, all tee kiam tee kiam ... Selection committee has the final say and u do not know what they look out for.
And some more, to be a good medical doctor does not means it is necessary need top academic quality student, it is more on personality such as Compassion.....[/quote]Research has shown how unreliable interviews are. That is why employees are put on probation for jobs. Just a 10 mins interview is difficult to assess how compassionate a student is, guess work at best. -
The system of selection even though has been diversified, it is still not picking up the best of the crops. Many potential applicants that can truly be good doctors have been left out by such a system.
I still feel that the system should be fine tune so that when an applicant that has applied for both medicine school and got offered by both schools, should only be allowed for one acceptance of the school that offered them. Take away the practise of wait-lists that I see promote duplication of offering and a waste of time and resources. Since an applicant that want to study medicine should be glad and grateful to accept the offer from either school. The duplicate offer cause havoc, chaos and bottleneck of those in the queue.
The inspiration to study medicine start from childhood and during their JC, POLYTECHNIC or ITE. Besides good academic and other excellent credentials, the medicine schools should also look at those exemplary applicants who have been working hard in the background silently voluntarily helping the weak and needy and were unable to present it in their application due to a gap in the transition in time and period of the application that taken place. Such important qualities of the applicants should not be missed out in the process of the selection interviews.
Well, it’s not the end for those credible students who did not make it to study medicine. With their courage, love, compassion and dedication, surely they can truly be great and successful in whatever they do.
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