Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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Agree. The online registration system shld auto check or auto-fill the birthdate based on first input of NRIC like addresses popped out in govt system whenever we conduct online transactions.
When I took my vaccination, my booklet was clearly marked “Pfizer” and was verbally told as it was written. I’m sure MOH will tighten & put in more checks to ensure system proper filter to double confirm & vaccination centres shld heighten physical checks from front desks to vaccination desks and converse with recipients of vaccine by checking NRIC as well as verbal checks to ensure information rattled off matches. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026172\" time=\"1622778379\" user_id=\"17023:
The paintiff must prove loss. If he suffered no loss, then it's unlikely he will be able to claim anything other than an apology.
It’s not about efficacy or safety here.
I thought a mistake made is a mistake made and from a legal perspective, what’s the recourse for the aggrieved party? Lawyers should know. -
.zeit\" post_id=\"2026175\" time=\"1622780460\" user_id=\"171271:
100% is from WHO, not Serrana.
Yes for that little town of Serrana. :rahrah:pirate\" post_id=\"2026168\" time=\"1622777123\" user_id=\"66252:
100% (so far) against severe COVID-19 and hospitalisation (according to WHO) sounds pretty efficacious to me.
Only for WHO's Emergency Use for >= 18 years like I alr said. We don't have the chance to even contemplate this brand for our minors.
Btw, the pharma should jolly well have it peer-reviewed by medical journals of authority (int'l gold standard currently), and furnish the missing data for their human trials for Phase 3 for various sub-populations.
Vaccines are 战略物资 against biowarfare. If the West grants it EUA, then they will have to mass-import it and in the long run, they might be held ransom or be economically-blackmailed by Beijing if supplies are wantonly cut off in a trade or ''values'' war. You've seen Beijing turning off Australia's beef/coal/barley/wine tap at the whim of one paramount leader.
From a national security standpoint, it is therefore deemed risky to include both the Russian and Chinese vaccines in their NIP. And of cos, shhhhhhh...their own pharma will all lose mkt share. :moneyflies:
Then again, if one believes the Americans, what do WHO know?
Personally, I am beginning to prefer Sinopharm over Sinovac...
Yes. For now for those below 18, it is Pfizer or nothing. One can either wait a few months for other less controversial vaccines to be approved for those below 18, or 10-20 years to see if there are unknown long term side effects. But then, one may kena Covid in those few months. So the judgment call is one's own to make.
But I agree with you about the politics. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2026178\" time=\"1622782018\" user_id=\"28674:
Does being injected with a non-approved vaccine constitue a loss ??
The paintiff must prove loss. If he suffered no loss, then it's unlikely he will be able to claim anything other than an apology.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026172\" time=\"1622778379\" user_id=\"17023:
It’s not about efficacy or safety here.
I thought a mistake made is a mistake made and from a legal perspective, what’s the recourse for the aggrieved party? Lawyers should know.
Should the boy suffer a heart inflammation or some other medical condition, will it be tantamount to a negligent act resulting in serious bodily harm? -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026180\" time=\"1622783229\" user_id=\"17023:
Does being injected with a non-approved vaccine constitue a loss ??
The paintiff must prove loss. If he suffered no loss, then it's unlikely he will be able to claim anything other than an apology.slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2026178\" time=\"1622782018\" user_id=\"28674:
[quote=lee_yl post_id=2026172 time=1622778379 user_id=17023]It’s not about efficacy or safety here.
I thought a mistake made is a mistake made and from a legal perspective, what’s the recourse for the aggrieved party? Lawyers should know.
Should the boy suffer a heart inflammation or some other medical condition, will it be tantamount to a negligent act resulting in serious bodily harm?[/quote]Just the fact of a mistake is not a loss. But yes, if he suffers significant injury or loss, then he can sue them for negligence. -
sue Minmed ?
The Minmed vaccination centre staff who failed to verify the boy’s age during registration must be having a hard time over the mistake made. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2026181\" time=\"1622783604\" user_id=\"28674:
Just the fact of a mistake is not a loss. But yes, if he suffers significant injury or loss, then he can sue them for negligence.[/quote]Wonder if the kid can sue for stress and anxiety caused but don’t think Singaporeans dare to sue govt.
Does being injected with a non-approved vaccine constitue a loss ??lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026180\" time=\"1622783229\" user_id=\"17023:
[quote=slmkhoo post_id=2026178 time=1622782018 user_id=28674]
The paintiff must prove loss. If he suffered no loss, then it's unlikely he will be able to claim anything other than an apology.
Should the boy suffer a heart inflammation or some other medical condition, will it be tantamount to a negligent act resulting in serious bodily harm? -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026187\" time=\"1622787173\" user_id=\"17023:
Only if he suffers so much he has psychatric problems, incurs medical costs, loss of future income... People do sue the govt when injury is caused - e.g. falling into manholes etc.
Wonder if the kid can sue for stress and anxiety caused but don’t think Singaporeans dare to sue govt.
This was an honest mistake, and probably no harm will be done. They have admitted their mistake in public, and apologised. I'm sure the staff are being scolded and will be under a lot of pressure. Is there a need to demand more? -
pirate\" post_id=\"2026179\" time=\"1622782760\" user_id=\"66252:
I guess we are not epidemiologists so we can only wait for more comprehensive studies to be released by the authorities.
100% is from WHO, not Serrana.
Then again, if one believes the Americans, what do WHO know?
Personally, I am beginning to prefer Sinopharm over Sinovac...
As a lay man, I know 27000 out of 45000 adults of Serrana (60%, excl. preggers, elderly & teens) had taken the CoronaVac vaccine (by SinoVac). Brazil had lockdowns, curfews, restrictions throughout that period of experiment (Feb-Apr), so movement was restricted, which will skew their results too.
In contrast, from Feb-Apr, Singapore had only inoculated less than 20% with those 2 brands, excl. vast majority of our 45-59yo adults. And we were in Phase 3, party time.
Next, let's look at the variants of concern. The variant that CoronaVac was testing/fighting against in Serrana was P1 (gamma), not B.1617.2 (delta). Delta variant we see here is apparently more transmissible than gamma. It has reached a new high of 81.5% in the past 4 weeks in Singapore (No 1 per Gisaid ranking). So we can't compare apples with oranges.
To be fair, we may have to watch Guangzhou closely. However, GZ's sample size's too small. Just 17 delta cases had been found, quarantined or blocked at the borders, so it's hard to see the real efficacy of whatever the Guangzhou residents were jabbed with.
Indonesia, which also uses CoronaVac, had reported 3 strains - alpha, beta & delta in early May. To date, they only have 32 delta cases (0.0x% per Gisaid record) vs SG's 358 cases (81.5%).
Yes, the deaths in Serrana had dropped. Let's look at Singapore's deaths during that period. We didn't have that many deaths prior to kappa & delta escaping here in April, so I'll look at the 30th (imported case from UAE), 31st (TTSH), 32nd (TTSH), 33rd (Changi airport) deaths.
Nothing on their vaccination status had been reported. What about the businessman who returned from UAE (SinoPharm+Pfizer)? So we cannot conclusively judge if the vaccines we're administering in SG are less than efficacious.
Now let's move on to hospitalisation of ''severe'' cases. They call it 重症保护率. In the Serrana experiment, hospitalisations dropped by 86% and symptomatic cases by 80%. That impressive % drop could be due to Serrana having very high confirmed caseloads at the start of the experiment in Jan.
Around that time of their experiment, Singapore did not have very high caseloads. We were seeing 0-2 community cases daily for a long while. As for hospitalisation of ''severe'' cases 重症, we have had 5 in ICU which then dropped to 2 now after delta attacked TTSH. There are currently 231 symptomatic, non-severe cases still in hospital, not in ICU.
Hey, it's not that bad wor...
I'd be more convinced, if they lock up 27000 Hongkong adults above 18, who had received 2 full CoronaVac jabs, on Lantau island and infect them with delta variant to obtain real-world data.
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Anyone kena ‘‘possible exposure’’ or swab orders for visiting Yuhua CC (Raffles Medical) and Yew Tee CC (Healthway) vaccination centres on 21 May and 24 May respectively?
Are the vaccination staff going to be quarantined?
We must also check the CC’s history before booking a vaccination slot.
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