Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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doodbug\" post_id=\"2028324\" time=\"1624865282\" user_id=\"13281:
I don't think they will force you, if you choose to drop out halfway, right?
btw, does any parent here have friends who plan to have their teenagers go for only one shot, instead of two? i.e. just don't show up for the 2nd shot.
About 5 million Americans didn't show up for their Dose 2 for whatever reasons (proximity, busy, lost momentum, vac hesitancy, waiting for FDA full approval).
You can perhaps refer to this chart which I found on TW media. Apparently, ''SG'' had shared with TW's CECC expert committee some Dose 1 / Dose 2 data. FYI, Prof Shan-chwen Chang (张上淳) is like our DMS equivalent.
https://postimg.cc/DSnPgWQn
(https://udn.com/news/story/120940/5563576?utm_source=udnnews&utm_medium=fb&fbclid=IwAR3sR2qnpGeyb-OvC-tzGMJLm6MI9ohwuw-9dHjEoMmtlpii6uSOGZ0GdTk)
If I didn't misinterpret the table, under Delta column, it means D1 of Comirnaty only confers 33% protection against no/mild symptoms, vs D2 which confers 88%. Similar to what A/P David Lye had said. (Ignore the lower-end % which is for AstraZeneca TW is using now)
If you're talking about hospitalisation, D1 of Comirnaty confers 71-94% protection, which is not very dissimilar from D2 which offers 92-96% protection leh... :roll:
So can I infer that D1 should be enough for teens, bah?? The somewhat low 33% for no/mild symptoms is fine to me, 'cos most parents can accept 67% infected persons to get runny nose, headache, fever, cough, etc!
Now with the free oximeter from Temasek, the ART kits, Edusave-subsidised device by MOE, those 67% persons (esp those non-graduating cohort students) with 1 dose of Comirnaty can all quarantine in the comfort of our own homes for 2 weeks
:siam:
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emoh\" post_id=\"2028270\" time=\"1624853933\" user_id=\"10618:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/context-important-risks-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-benjamin-ong-15112768?cid=telegram_cna_social_28112017_cna
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ncid-infectious-diseases-expert-calls-out-claims-by-doctors-on-need-to-delay-covid-19-jabs?utm_medium=social&utm_source=telegram&utm_campaign=sttgraysusan\" post_id=\"2028225\" time=\"1624791004\" user_id=\"1304:
S'pore doctors publish open letter calling for halt to Covid-19 jabs for 200,000 school
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/local-doctors-publish-open-letter-calling-for-halt-to-covid-19-jabs-for-200000-boys?utm_campaign=stfb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook -
.zeit\" post_id=\"2028402\" time=\"1624935850\" user_id=\"171271:
Actually, you and the likes of the professors at NCID are the ones mucking about with the numbers.
You deliberately used a gender-neutral term -- ''youngsters'' a couple of times to alarm readers, when you know very well that the occurrence is very negligible for young female adolescents in the US.
Btw, this being the case, shouldn't all the young Mulans in Singapore volunteer to contribute to the HIT? :slapshead:
You jolly well know I was talking about males. Which part of \"boys\" do you not understand? Why you bring in females to obfuscate the data?
The 1:6,000 Israeli number was gender neutral. Since like you say the risk for female adolescents is negligible, it means that those cases making up the '1' in 1:6,000 are overwhelmingly male. Which means the odds for male adolescents should be closer to 1:3,000.
As for your observation about age bands, you should direct that at Assoc Prof Benjamin Ong chairman of the expert committee on Covid vaccinations. Why is he giving us nonsensical numbers like \"close to 400 million doses\" saw only \"1,226 cases\"?
He has the cheek to talk about \"right context\"! Is 400 million doses the right context? Were there 400 million second doses administered in the US? Or 400m second doses administered to male adolescents?
I would love to look at the exact age bands of the numbers. Why doesn't our expert committee give us the numbers? Why doesn't the good Assoc Prof just give us the numbers for how many cases out of how many second doses administered to male adolescents? Heck, why do I even have to go to the Jerusalem Times instead of the Straits Times?
1,226 cases out of 400 million doses. Pffft. :razz: -
.zeit\" post_id=\"2028413\" time=\"1624940109\" user_id=\"171271:
For crying out loud, that's not what the 33% or 84% or whatever % means.
If I didn't misinterpret the table, under Delta column, it means D1 of Comirnaty only confers 33% protection against no/mild symptoms, vs D2 which confers 88%. Similar to what A/P David Lye had said. (Ignore the lower-end % which is for AstraZeneca TW is using now)
If you're talking about hospitalisation, D1 of Comirnaty confers 71-94% protection, which is not very dissimilar from D2 which offers 92-96% protection leh... :roll:
So can I infer that D1 should be enough for teens, bah?? The somewhat low 33% for no/mild symptoms is fine to me, 'cos most parents can accept 67% infected persons to get runny nose, headache, fever, cough, etc! -
CDC's All-or-Nothing Approach to Teen COVID Vaccination Is All Wrong— The agency should revisit its latest guidance to maximize benefits and minimize risks
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340 -
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yorkie\" post_id=\"2028540\" time=\"1625020423\" user_id=\"49037:
\"The CDC did not consider the harms versus benefits of one versus two doses, but only the harms versus benefits of vaccination itself. But the CDC went beyond this. They also used base rates of infection from the past, rather than current rates of SARS-CoV-2 spread, which are substantially lower. They did not differentiate between healthy kids -- who are at risk of idiosyncratic events, such as myocarditis -- and kids with pre-existing medical conditions that place them at high risk of severe outcomes from COVID-19, including hospitalization.\"
CDC's All-or-Nothing Approach to Teen COVID Vaccination Is All Wrong— The agency should revisit its latest guidance to maximize benefits and minimize risks
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/93340
I do support a risk based approach towards vaccination with different guidance issued for people of different age groups and risk profiles. As the above paragraph in the article showed, there are many \"bias in reporting\" made in order to advance a narrative, in this case to push vaccination for the younger population. But we have known since the past years that outcome of covid-19 infection varies greatly among people of different age group and whether having pre-existing or chronic illness. We have also know that vaccination is mainly to reduce severity of the infection, rather than prevent infection or transmission. In the same article, there is even a graph on benefits and risks after dose 2, by age group for Israel, that clearly showed the benefits and risks is vastly different according to age bands.
We need to be rational and prescribe proper guidance to people based their their risk profile to severe covid-19 infection. That will be the best way to optimise the social benefits for everyone while walking out of this covid-19 pandemic. This is not about pushing anyone's narratives but rather above maximising benefits of vaccines while minimising the risk of vaccines to susceptible population. -
MOH to stop giving details of Covid-19 community cases
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-to-stop-giving-details-of-covid-19-community-cases
MOH will stop disclosing patient’s age, occupation and date tested positive etc.
Like 88yr old cleaner, 72yr old McDonald’s cashier, 12yr old student etc. Why? Because netizens too good at analyzing the data? Like 3 weeks ago we already noticed Covid vaccine cannot stamp transmission. Or 88yr can’t retire and still must continue to work? So it’s embarrassing?
Why suddenly become non-transparent huh? Why we can’t know when CGH nurse kena etc? Will this cause ppl to speculate and rumors fly all over the place? -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2028679\" time=\"1625062692\" user_id=\"17023:
Yes. Duh. :siam:
Why? Because netizens too good at analyzing the data? Like 3 weeks ago we already noticed Covid vaccine cannot stamp transmission. Or 88yr can’t retire and still must continue to work? So it’s embarrassing?
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