2021 P1 Registration Exercise for 2022 In-take

[MerlionInGermany]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2029337\" time=\"1625528343\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2029337 time=1625528343 user_id=53606]

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St Nicks alumni loved their school culture more? Or they want SAP schools but those near their house aren’t easy to get into?

MGS and SCGS alumni may not care for SAP schools. And they may be happy with any girls school that is nearer their house.

Underlined sentence is not addressing the original question. I think heis asking why there are more SN former students going back to SNGS, vs SC former students going back to SCGS and MG former students going back to MGS? It doesnt matter if the SC and MG care for SAP or not, since both are not SAP.

So it could be what you said “St Nicks alumni loved their school culture more”, or could it be the cohort at SNGS was bigger? I am thinking if the section section at SNGS had been bigger than that at the other 2, because SNGS took in their pri students for express and special streams, and additionally took in other pri sch students for the special stream? Even today, I think the SN sec section cohort is slightly bigger than the other 2. Hence by law of large numbers, the chances of a bigger cohort having more daughters?

[zac's mum]

I do not know. To have a numerical comparison, we’d have to know the primary and secondary school intake size, for all 3 schools, then and now.

[SG_KP1]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2029337\" time=\"1625528343\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2029337 time=1625528343 user_id=53606]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2029336\" time=\"1625528015\" user_id=\"188234:

St Nicks alumni loved their school culture more? Or they want SAP schools but those near their house aren’t easy to get into?

MGS and SCGS alumni may not care for SAP schools. And they may be happy with any girls school that is nearer their house.

I see, thanks.

I was also wondering if the secondary cohorts are the same size (relative to primary)? I.e. right now I think SNGS secondary is a bit bigger than MGS/SCGS secondary. This could allow more non-affiliated primary students to enter. Thus, when you get to the end of 10 years you have more unique students across primary and secondary. Then, with the \"backwards\" affiliation you see pressure on 2A. But I have no idea what the secondary cohort sizes were like 20 years ago +/-.

[Hendon]

Despite what people may think SNGS has more than a few things going for it, when the current set of mothers were at SNGS, it was already a powerhouse, it has been so for a long time, add the IJ factor, SAP, IP, girl school allure, and perhaps the HDB neighbourhood (non Bukit Timah) and merit driven culture, you have a potent mix

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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2029341\" time=\"1625529639\" user_id=\"2964:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"2029337\" time=\"1625528343\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2029337 time=1625528343 user_id=53606]

Underlined sentence is not addressing the original question. I think heis asking why there are more SN former students going back to SNGS, vs SC former students going back to SCGS and MG former students going back to MGS? It doesnt matter if the SC and MG care for SAP or not, since both are not SAP.

So it could be what you said “St Nicks alumni loved their school culture more”, or could it be the cohort at SNGS was bigger? I am thinking if the section section at SNGS had been bigger than that at the other 2, because SNGS took in their pri students for express and special streams, and additionally took in other pri sch students for the special stream? Even today, I think the SN sec section cohort is slightly bigger than the other 2. Hence by law of large numbers, the chances of a bigger cohort having more daughters?

1. SNGS is a SAP school for BOTH its primary and secondary section while the other two schools are not.

2. SNGS has a much larger intake in total (~3,000 for both sections) while MGS (~2,500) and SCGS (~2,400) are smaller schools in comparison.

In addition, SNGS “intake” is further inflated because it has a COP of 230 vs 220 (MGS and SCGS). Assuming all their primary section do equally well, fewer SNGS girls will carry on to their secondary section vs the other two. The extra spaces are being filled up by “others”, thus further swelling the number of eligible alumni.

When you apply your law of large numbers, it’s always likely that the number of 2A1 / 2A2 applicants from SNGS will outnumber those from MGS and SCGS.

[Hendon]

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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2029341\" time=\"1625529639\" user_id=\"2964:

[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2029337 time=1625528343 user_id=53606]
St Nicks alumni loved their school culture more? Or they want SAP schools but those near their house aren’t easy to get into?

MGS and SCGS alumni may not care for SAP schools. And they may be happy with any girls school that is nearer their house.

Underlined sentence is not addressing the original question. I think heis asking why there are more SN former students going back to SNGS, vs SC former students going back to SCGS and MG former students going back to MGS? It doesnt matter if the SC and MG care for SAP or not, since both are not SAP.

So it could be what you said “St Nicks alumni loved their school culture more”, or could it be the cohort at SNGS was bigger? I am thinking if the section section at SNGS had been bigger than that at the other 2, because SNGS took in their pri students for express and special streams, and additionally took in other pri sch students for the special stream? Even today, I think the SN sec section cohort is slightly bigger than the other 2. Hence by law of large numbers, the chances of a bigger cohort having more daughters?

1. SNGS is a SAP school for BOTH its primary and secondary section while the other two schools are not.

2. SNGS has a much larger intake in total (~3,000 for both sections) while MGS (~2,500) and SCGS (~2,400) are smaller schools in comparison. Therefore, your law of large numbers apply.

In addition, SNGS “intake” is further inflated because it has a COP of 230 vs 220 (MGS and SNGS). Assuming all their primary section do equally well, fewer SNGS girls will carry on to their secondary section vs the other two. The extra spaces are being filled up by “others”, thus further swelling the number of eligible alumni.[/quote]I like how you think but for me the hdb neighbourhood vs the exclusive vibe of MGS / SCGS does matter. The opportunity cost of foregoing 2A1 might seem higher for the non exclusive tribe

[MerlionInGermany]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2029344\" time=\"1625530647\" user_id=\"188234:

I was also wondering if the secondary cohorts are the same size (relative to primary)? I.e. right now I think SNGS secondary is a bit bigger than MGS/SCGS secondary. This could allow more non-affiliated primary students to enter. Thus, when you get to the end of 10 years you have more unique students across primary and secondary. Then, with the \"backwards\" affiliation you see pressure on 2A. But I have no idea what the secondary cohort sizes were like 20 years ago +/-.

Like I’ve said, during our time, SN had express and special. Express was only for their Pri sch students, special was for anyone who qualified. Whereas the other 2 had only express for their Pri sch students and anyone who qualified. So for sec cohort relative to its own Pri cohort, just by the stream, we are almost certain there would be more unique students in SNGS than in the other 2.

[SG_KP1]

MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2029352\" time=\"1625535730\" user_id=\"2964:

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2029344\" time=\"1625530647\" user_id=\"188234:

I was also wondering if the secondary cohorts are the same size (relative to primary)? I.e. right now I think SNGS secondary is a bit bigger than MGS/SCGS secondary. This could allow more non-affiliated primary students to enter. Thus, when you get to the end of 10 years you have more unique students across primary and secondary. Then, with the \"backwards\" affiliation you see pressure on 2A. But I have no idea what the secondary cohort sizes were like 20 years ago +/-.

Like I’ve said, during our time, SN had express and special. Express was only for their Pri sch students, special was for anyone who qualified. Whereas the other 2 had only express for their Pri sch students and anyone who qualified. So for sec cohort relative to its own Pri cohort, just by the stream, we are almost certain there would be more unique students in SNGS than in the other 2.

Thanks. I think you replied with similar comments while I was typing the above so I didn't see it. But this (larger non-affiliated in-take at Sec 1) makes sense as a reason why we see more pressure at 2A.

I can't speak to the culture or love for one's school, and SNGS is definitely a powerhouse. I guess I just think the other two would have a high take-up rate too among alumni (could be wrong).

[SG_KP1]

floppy\" post_id=\"2029347\" time=\"1625532212\" user_id=\"97579:

1. SNGS is a SAP school for BOTH its primary and secondary section while the other two schools are not.

2. SNGS has a much larger intake in total (~3,000 for both sections) while MGS (~2,500) and SCGS (~2,400) are smaller schools in comparison.

In addition, SNGS “intake” is further inflated because it has a COP of 230 vs 220 (MGS and SCGS). Assuming all their primary section do equally well, fewer SNGS girls will carry on to their secondary section vs the other two. The extra spaces are being filled up by “others”, thus further swelling the number of eligible alumni.

When you apply your law of large numbers, it’s always likely that the number of 2A1 / 2A2 applicants from SNGS will outnumber those from MGS and SCGS.

For 2, I think the difference in secondary size is the main driver though? I.e. if primary cohorts are of different size, all else equal (probability have a kid, it's a girl, want to send her back to your primary school) it shouldn't impact the chance of 2A being full. In absolute numbers, the larger cohort will produce more 2A applicants but there are also more seats available. In fact, I think the smaller cohorts would be more disadvantaged because of the 40 seats that are reserved for 2B and 2C (40 becomes a larger % of the total seats). Again, that's all else equal and maybe it's not all else equal with regard to sending kid back to your primary school.

For the COPs, I think historically all three were lower as well? I don't recall all the specifics but the spread between SNGS and the other two could have been larger too (want to say 220 vs 200).

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SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2029356\" time=\"1625537811\" user_id=\"188234:

floppy\" post_id=\"2029347\" time=\"1625532212\" user_id=\"97579:

1. SNGS is a SAP school for BOTH its primary and secondary section while the other two schools are not.

2. SNGS has a much larger intake in total (~3,000 for both sections) while MGS (~2,500) and SCGS (~2,400) are smaller schools in comparison.

In addition, SNGS “intake” is further inflated because it has a COP of 230 vs 220 (MGS and SCGS). Assuming all their primary section do equally well, fewer SNGS girls will carry on to their secondary section vs the other two. The extra spaces are being filled up by “others”, thus further swelling the number of eligible alumni.

When you apply your law of large numbers, it’s always likely that the number of 2A1 / 2A2 applicants from SNGS will outnumber those from MGS and SCGS.

For 2, I think the difference in secondary size is the main driver though? I.e. if primary cohorts are of different size, all else equal (probability have a kid, it's a girl, want to send her back to your primary school) it shouldn't impact the chance of 2A being full. In absolute numbers, the larger cohort will produce more 2A applicants but there are also more seats available. In fact, I think the smaller cohorts would be more disadvantaged because of the 40 seats that are reserved for 2B and 2C (40 becomes a larger % of the total seats). Again, that's all else equal and maybe it's not all else equal with regard to sending kid back to your primary school.

For the COPs, I think historically all three were lower as well? I don't recall all the specifics but the spread between SNGS and the other two could have been larger too (want to say 220 vs 200).

Size matters, but it's the difference in the secondary cohort that is the main driver. For primary school, current numbers are 210, 210 and 192 for SNGS, MGS and SCGS respectively.

I don't recall the actual numbers but I believe SNGS affiliated COP has always been higher.