Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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I think children, if any, should play an active role in encouraging their aged parents to get the jab. Nobody knows for sure if this vaccine/jab is doing more good than bad but based on the current situation, the vaccination is inevitable if we want to return to near normal as before.
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starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2030215\" time=\"1626054064\" user_id=\"14025:
Yes, no-one can see decades in the future. We make the best decision we can based on what we can foresee in the near future. Given what we know, it seems safe enough. My relatives who are doctors, and a friend who does research in that area, all encourage vaccination for their family, parents, children, etc.
I think children, if any, should play an active role in encouraging their aged parents to get the jab. Nobody knows for sure if this vaccine/jab is doing more good than bad but based on the current situation, the vaccination is inevitable if we want to return to near normal as before.
Actually, the elderly, of all people, shouldn't care about long-term effects for themselves, for rather obvious reasons. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2030216\" time=\"1626054238\" user_id=\"28674:
exactly and hence I dont understand why some seniors refuse to take the jab.
Actually, the elderly, of all people, shouldn't care about long-term effects for themselves, for rather obvious reasons. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2030188\" time=\"1626044331\" user_id=\"66252:
I am rephrasing my question. If the Indonesian government has confidence in Sinovac, why the 3rd jab for their medical personnel is not Sinovac but Moderna instead?
That's like asking why our government is already talking about a third jab come February.
If you can potentially boost protection for your medical workers amidst a raging pandemic from 95% to 99%, will you not? The operative word here is \"potentially\" because there is as yet no real world data to show it actually makes a difference whether the booster is an mRNA vaccine.
A 3rd booster shot to Pfizer or Moderna is to increase effectiveness against variants. A 3rd booster shot to Sinovac is because it is not good enough.
People fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines still get infected because of breakthroughs. People fully inoculated with Sinovac still get infected because it is not good enough.
The double standard in this kind of reporting is palpable, and absolutely unscientific.
Speaking of double standards, read this.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/hundreds-of-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations
Maybe we can also have a headline: Singapore medical workers in several hospitals infected despite full doses of mRNA vaccines even though local infections remain low.
Or how about: almost 90% of those infected in Singapore care home were fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines?
If you are not alert to this kind of doublespeak, you make yourself vulnerable to propaganda. Singapore does not need to be a tool. The virus does not read. -
ngl2010\" post_id=\"2030224\" time=\"1626057067\" user_id=\"40978:
That you have to ask the Indonesian government, they never said it is because they think Sinovac is inadequate.
I am rephrasing my question. If the Indonesian government has confidence in Sinovac, why the 3rd jab for their medical personnel is not Sinovac but Moderna instead?
I can also ask if the Indonesian government has no confidence in Sinovac, why did they approve it even for their children?
Playing political word games on behalf of others is not wise. Singaporeans will have to eventually live with lots of people around us with the Sinovac vaccine. The places we have the most people to people contact with - China, Hong Kong, Malaysia and Indonesia all use them. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2030232\" time=\"1626058647\" user_id=\"66252:
TL,DR - Sinovac offered large nos. of easily transported vaccines, at lower cost, earlier than the other types of vaccines. It's a case of \"better some protection than none\".
That you have to ask the Indonesian government, they never said it is because they think Sinovac is inadequate.ngl2010\" post_id=\"2030224\" time=\"1626057067\" user_id=\"40978:
I am rephrasing my question. If the Indonesian government has confidence in Sinovac, why the 3rd jab for their medical personnel is not Sinovac but Moderna instead?
I can also ask if the Indonesian government has no confidence in Sinovac, why did they approve it even for their children?
Playing political word games on behalf of others is not wise. Singaporeans will have to eventually live with lots of people around us with the Sinovac vaccine. The places we have the most people to people contact with - China, Hong Kong, Malaysia and Indonesia all use them.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/COVID-vaccines/Chinese-vaccines-Sinovac-needs-outweigh-doubts-in-Indonesia
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/indonesia-thailand-consider-booster-shots-amid-doubts-over-sinovac-vaccine-2021-07-08/ -
Better some protection than none is just speculation by commentators and based on selective interpretation of data.
Do we have data how many US and/or UK fully inoculated medical personnel have been infected? Especially in May and June 2021? Why are we happy with the absence of data from these countries?
I am still waiting for MOH to explain how come 90% of MINDSville cases were fully inoculated with mRNA vaccine. Or why 40% of Bukit Merah/Redhill cases were. I am not holding my breath. I expect it to be swept under the carpet. Now we won’t even know whether any of the new cases are medical personnel or fully inoculated because our gov has decided to be less transparent. -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2030218\" time=\"1626055222\" user_id=\"14025:
An elderly taxi driver didn’t want his jab coz he thinks it’s painful. I’ve to share my family’s experiences & encourage him to do fast esp so when he’s in the frontline. I asked him if he thinks he’ll die fr jab or fr the covid? Let him ponder, hopefully gets on the right path to the Vaccination Center.
exactly and hence I dont understand why some seniors refuse to take the jab.slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2030216\" time=\"1626054238\" user_id=\"28674:
Actually, the elderly, of all people, shouldn't care about long-term effects for themselves, for rather obvious reasons.
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pirate\" post_id=\"2030236\" time=\"1626061779\" user_id=\"66252:
Without a population who have taken Sinovac to compare with, how to have data? I guess everyone at Mindsville who was vaccinated took Pfizer anyway, and probably most at BM/Redhill. And it's known that no vaccine protects completely again infection. It's the rate of infection that should be compared, but it will be difficult as the base environment will differ from place to place and time to time. I'm fairly sure that such data is being collected, but where to find it, and how comparable it is, I don't know.
Better some protection than none is just speculation by commentators and based on selective interpretation of data.
Do we have data how many US and/or UK fully inoculated medical personnel have been infected? Especially in May and June 2021? Why are we happy with the absence of data from these countries?
I am still waiting for MOH to explain how come 90% of MINDSville cases were fully inoculated with mRNA vaccine. Or why 40% of Bukit Merah/Redhill cases were. I am not holding my breath. I expect it to be swept under the carpet. Now we won't even know whether any of the new cases are medical personnel or fully inoculated because our gov has decided to be less transparent. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2026540\" time=\"1623215197\" user_id=\"28674:
:thankyou:
I can't answer your questions, but based on general rules, surely those who are resident in the home are allowed to remove their masks, at least within their room or a restricted area that is considered their \"home\". I expect that staff and those who are only there for part of each day would be require to mask..zeit\" post_id=\"2026537\" time=\"1623213947\" user_id=\"171271:
I understand some of the special needs patients had a meltdown during testing. Since special needs residents have special needs, did the staff at MINDSville therefore allow the 91% fully vaccinated residents to take off their masks inside the building?
From the website and FB photos, I see that it's a https://www.minds.org.sg/for-adults/residential-services/. Therefore, I'm pretty sure at some point during meal-times, shower, sleeping, classroom activity/interactive time, the residents had to remove their masks?
And because the media had reported that special needs people respond better in familiar environments, I cannot help but suspect the staff/caregivers were not masked up or togged up in PPE over the past 4 months either, so as not to frighten their residents who may not be able to recognise them visually?
Did the job placement & support program stop during this period? They have to mix with the community for training.
If they weren't donning masks, of course staff, befrienders and family visitors who live outside in the community may risk bringing in the virus. If they were, what level of filtration do their masks provide? Was there social distancing inside like there is in normal schools, and if not, is it cos social distancing with their caregivers might affect their mood?
I was waiting for this ''mask-off'' confirmation that you'd provided. Yes, it is what Kenneth Mak'd been saying, that most transmissions took place within one's household as family members removed their masks at home.
I see MINDSville cluster as a 'microcosm' of our local community at that point in time, i.e. 2-4 June, when just about 20% or so of our population had been fully vaccinated. Perhaps its infection rate when magnified several times might be mirrored in our larger community back then?
Likewise for the Bukit Merah cluster which had about 51% (unvaccinated) vs 49% (fully vaccinated + 1st dose) being infected. That was around mid- to end-Jun when our country's fully vaccinated population was over 25%-30%? I also referred to my relative's friend's household as a 'microcosm' sampling of the community at large at that point in time. As I'd shared many weeks ago, three out of six household members were infected (50-50 probability). The household profile is as follows:
1 fully vaccinated (index) + 2 unvaccinated infected, versus 1 fully vaccinated + 2 unvaccinated NOT infected.
Based on my above non-scientific observations, I imagine if everyone was to remove his mask in public areas come year-end (when 75% are fully vaccinated), there will be a short-term surge of cases & some deaths but it won't be as severe as it had been in Jun.
Boris Johnson has preempted the Brits that they should expect to see 50,000 cases at least and hundreds of deaths when UK opens up with a 'big bang' on the 19th. We will watch the UK closely, as their elderly vaccination rate is very high, but below 50yo is rather low. These were the youths who'd removed their masks to watch football.
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