Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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It is true that there are various reports that antibodies wane after 6 months of taking S. Now we are told the same happens with P, and that this is natural and to be expected. The underlying subtext seems to be in the case of P it is natural and to be expected, but for S it is because the vaccine is lousy.
We are also told that immunity does not only depend on level of antibodies, but on also T-cells, C-cells and a whole alphabet soup of immune system cells, and whether these cells can recognize the virus to trigger an immune response.
This makes sense why P and M are more vulnerable to variants, as it targets only the spike protein. So any mutation of the spike protein, as in Delta, will reduce its efficacy significantly. Whole virus vaccines however trains the body’s immune system to recognize another whole alphabet soup of virus proteins, not just the S or spike protein, but apparently not quite as wide a range as meeting the live virus (ie. infection).
Of course, being better able to identify the virus will still not be any good if the immune system is too weak or compromised to launch a robust response. Eg elderly, frail or immuno-compromised people. For them, antibody levels may be all they have to fight the virus with.
These are basic immune system facts that make MOH’s almost total reliance on P and M unwise.
Hence MOH should be more transparent with the breakdown for vaccine breakthroughs. We have enough data in Singapore to not have to wait for foreign data to make an educated decision as to whether to mix boosters or vaccinate our 5-11 year olds and with what vaccine. The virus does not wait. Every day delayed is lives lost too.
Incidentally the 100,000- (not plus) number is those who have taken both shots. Number of shots given is 200,000+. There is no evidence that these people are less likely to go out. Misplaced or otherwise, they have faith in this vaccine.
I am sure Gov also have the numbers who have left Singapore. -
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/private-clinics-in-spore-seeing-demand-for-sinovac-and-sinopharm-as-covid-19-vaccine
MOH's expert committee is working too slowly. Some urgency please? -
So far, how do we feel with the current endemic living? I m still about the same, go out when necessary…buy food & groceries only plus sending kid to school.
Almost everyday got people died, and number seems to be around there. What are we expecting actually…wait for all to be infected? 1 round of infection will be enough?
It was mentioned something like peak at 4 or 8 weeks from abt 2 wks ago? Personally hoping for free-er movements during year end hol. -
MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2040979\" time=\"1633472287\" user_id=\"43981:
What we are experiencing now is NOT endemic living! We are still under pretty tight restrictions. The things you mention - grocery shopping and schools - are usually the last things to be restricted.
So far, how do we feel with the current endemic living? I m still about the same, go out when necessary..buy food & groceries only plus sending kid to school.
Almost everyday got people died, and number seems to be around there. What are we expecting actually..wait for all to be infected? 1 round of infection will be enough?
It was mentioned something like peak at 4 or 8 weeks from abt 2 wks ago? Personally hoping for free-er movements during year end hol.
Yes, we are waiting for more people to be naturally infected or be protected more by receiving a booster shot. Even that will not mean no more infections, just that most of those who get infected will not get seriously ill, so it won't be considered an issue. Whether one wave of infections is enough really depends on how many people get it - with restrictions, chances are that there will have to be repeated waves. The reason for having restrictions now is to protect the hospitals which are not prepared to cope with large numbers, not to protect the population from infection forever. Sooner or later, everyone (except those who take special care of themselves) will have to be exposed, and probably catch it, whether or not they realise it, or it will not be \"endemic living\".
Frankly, the fastest way to get to \"endemic living\" would be to stop taking precautions now - but this would mean too much pressure on hospitals, and not enough of those who need protection have been educated to take those precautions for themselves. The thinking is still very much \"everyone will take precautions to protect the vulnerable\" rather than \"teach the vulnerable how to take precautions to protect themselves\". There needs to be that switch in mindset before we can truly go \"endemic\". -
Does that mean that before we even go into endemic stage, we should be seeing the healthcare system expanding first.. then maybe can start taking off mask..maybe a faster process :sad:
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The initial daily figure acceptable then at first like around 200 I think?
Now with this ‘outbreak’, did anyone read of the new acceptable daily figure, if there is any revision? My understanding is it will peak at x number after x weeks, after that, what will happen? It would be good if we know the plan coz we ourselves need to plan our living too. -
MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2041000\" time=\"1633481107\" user_id=\"43981:
Endemic stage will be the final stage - when hopefully we can stop wearing masks, not have to count group sizes, not have to limit the no. of people in the office...
Does that mean that before we even go into endemic stage, we should be seeing the healthcare system expanding first.. then maybe can start taking off mask..maybe a faster process :sad:
But to get there, first, we do need to get to the point where most people are well-protected either naturally or by vaccination. On the way to that point, there are bound to be waves of infection, and for Singapore, larger waves simply because they were very good at controlling earlier. That was a good thing pre-vaccination as it prevented many deaths. But now, post-vaccination, it is necessary to allow many people to get exposed, and some to be infected, since we have found that none of the vaccines so far can protect against all infections. Mask-wearing will likely be the final restriction to be lifted.
I think they should just stop testing so much, and leave the asymptomatic cases undetected and uncounted. Since asympotomatic cases are, by definition, in no danger themselves, and very little to others, seeking them out and isolating them in large nos. seems a waste of resources and puts Singapore in bad light compared with other countries, most of which have a much less \"catch them all\" approach. At the same time, much more emphasis has to be placed on telling the vulnerable how to protect themselves, and making them understand that it is their responsibility now. -
I think probably like what told asymptomatic may be true till don’t know ownself got it. Not sure abt the health condition of the student got injured by another student from yesterday’s news…victim tested positive for C+.
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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/man-seeks-court-order-daughter-get-covid-19-vaccination-after-ex-wife-strongly-opposed-jab-2224891
Wait till they find out that if the daughter is a student at a MOE school, she can just walk into any community vaccination centre and get vaccinated without needing any parent consent.
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