2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)

[Liew Nga Wing]

I took my TOFEL English papers when I was 20 but found the papers are OK for me. I managed to get a good result from it and always remember the joy when the notification of result was received.

[Veyron]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044451\" time=\"1635767396\" user_id=\"17023:

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[quote=lee_yl post_id=2044353 time=1635683083 user_id=17023]If under the new AL banding and old t-score, the students would still have cried, then why bother to do a reform (to the new AL banding)?

AL system and PSLE paper standard are 2 different things. Just because its AL system, it doesn't mean PSLE paper should be set artificially easy so that 50% of the cohort will end up balloting

Isn’t the whole idea of a reform is to help lessen the PSLE stress for both parents and child? And if possible, to be less elitist in our approach to education?

Why cannot have more balloting for top schools? If all those who meet COP of RI (say, AL6) has to enter balloting altogether, then there is no need to try to score AL4 points as the student will still be subject to balloting. As it is, at AL4 it is almost certain that a student can get into any secondary school of his choice which causes students to chase for every mark.

And of cos, there are some parents who cannot accept that their children, being the top students, will be subject to balloting, thus we are stuck in this situation.[/quote]The stress from PSLE actually arises from parents' desire to send their children to the top secondary schools of their choice. As long as the desire is there, there will always be stress regardless of which exam system as demand will always outstrip supply.

So if parents wish to be less stressful or stress-free PSLE, then be contented with whatever secondary school the PSLE result offers. Under the AL system, it should be less stressful because there are now more choices

[ChiefKiasu]

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The stress from PSLE actually arises from parents' desire to send their children to the top secondary schools of their choice. As long as the desire is there, there will always be stress regardless of which exam system as demand will always outstrip supply.

So if parents wish to be less stressful or stress-free PSLE, then be contented with whatever secondary school the PSLE result offers. Under the AL system, it should be less stressful because there are now more choices

Actually, we tend to blame parents. But these are P6 kids, on the cusp of the teenage angst of \"disobedience\". I'm sure you can find many kids who knows what they want, by P6, and to go against them is to beat ourselves against an immovable wall.

You say \"Under the AL system, it should be less stressful because there are now more choices\". Why is that so? How is this choice distributed now? I'm curious.

[lee_yl]

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lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044451\" time=\"1635767396\" user_id=\"17023:

[quote=Veyron post_id=2044445 time=1635763091 user_id=30663]

AL system and PSLE paper standard are 2 different things. Just because its AL system, it doesn't mean PSLE paper should be set artificially easy so that 50% of the cohort will end up balloting

Isn’t the whole idea of a reform is to help lessen the PSLE stress for both parents and child? And if possible, to be less elitist in our approach to education?

Why cannot have more balloting for top schools? If all those who meet COP of RI (say, AL6) has to enter balloting altogether, then there is no need to try to score AL4 points as the student will still be subject to balloting. As it is, at AL4 it is almost certain that a student can get into any secondary school of his choice which causes students to chase for every mark.

And of cos, there are some parents who cannot accept that their children, being the top students, will be subject to balloting, thus we are stuck in this situation.

The stress from PSLE actually arises from parents' desire to send their children to the top secondary schools of their choice. As long as the desire is there, there will always be stress regardless of which exam system as demand will always outstrip supply.

So if parents wish to be less stressful or stress-free PSLE, then be contented with whatever secondary school the PSLE result offers. Under the AL system, it should be less stressful because there are now more choices[/quote]So for those parents who are contented with whatever secondary school theirs kids go, under the old tscore system, they will also be stress free. And for those who aim for top schools be it under the old or new system, they will equally be stressful.
So is the reform needless?

Please elaborate how the AL system makes choices much wider? Under the old tscore system, one can also pick any sec school of their choice so long they can meet the COP

[Veyron]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044554\" time=\"1635843637\" user_id=\"17023:

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[quote=lee_yl post_id=2044451 time=1635767396 user_id=17023]

Isn’t the whole idea of a reform is to help lessen the PSLE stress for both parents and child? And if possible, to be less elitist in our approach to education?

Why cannot have more balloting for top schools? If all those who meet COP of RI (say, AL6) has to enter balloting altogether, then there is no need to try to score AL4 points as the student will still be subject to balloting. As it is, at AL4 it is almost certain that a student can get into any secondary school of his choice which causes students to chase for every mark.

And of cos, there are some parents who cannot accept that their children, being the top students, will be subject to balloting, thus we are stuck in this situation.

The stress from PSLE actually arises from parents' desire to send their children to the top secondary schools of their choice. As long as the desire is there, there will always be stress regardless of which exam system as demand will always outstrip supply.

So if parents wish to be less stressful or stress-free PSLE, then be contented with whatever secondary school the PSLE result offers. Under the AL system, it should be less stressful because there are now more choices

So for those parents who are contented with whatever secondary school theirs kids go, under the old tscore system, they will also be stress free. And for those who aim for top schools be it under the old or new system, they will equally be stressful.
So is the reform needless?

Please elaborate how the AL system makes choices much wider? Under the old tscore system, one can also pick any sec school of their choice so long they can meet the COP[/quote]
1) Under new AL system, 90 is the new 100, which mean students doesn't need to work extra hard to achieve that 100 or \"perfect\" score.

2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.

[ChiefKiasu]

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2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.

I see. So the student MAY be able to go to some elite secondary school, except he may have to ballot for it. Well, it's still a chance, better than no chance at all if it is clear that someone else is better than him using the old t-score.

Maybe it's time we should call a horse a horse. MOE has replaced a system that can finely place students in schools, with another system that has an element of \"chance\" in it. Is this better? Who knows. Maybe it's good for kids who need more time to adjust to secondary school. But I wouldn't want to be a top scorer who gets squeezed out of my desired school by someone I know is not as good as me, by something called chance.

[Veyron]

ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2044562\" time=\"1635848763\" user_id=\"3:

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2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.

I see. So the student MAY be able to go to some elite secondary school, except he may have to ballot for it. Well, it's still a chance, better than no chance at all if it is clear that someone else is better than him using the old t-score.

Maybe it's time we should call a horse a horse. MOE has replaced a system that can finely place students in schools, with another system that has an element of \"chance\" in it. Is this better? Who knows. Maybe it's good for kids who need more time to adjust to secondary school. But I wouldn't want to be a top scorer who gets squeezed out of my desired school by someone I know is not as good as me, by something called chance.

Under t-score, every mark counts because COP was measured by a single or decimal of a mark. And how well their peers do will also affect their own score.

Under AL system, students only need to do their best and their best is all that count. How other students performed will not affect their own score.

MOE has already recommended students pick their choices and order of school carefully. If suppose a student score AL6, he or she certainly need to pick a AL7 COP school as 2nd or 3rd choice. I am sure parents cant be too upset to see their child getting into into AL7 COP school right?

[Liew Nga Wing]

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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2044562\" time=\"1635848763\" user_id=\"3:

[quote=Veyron post_id=2044559 time=1635846801 user_id=30663]...
2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.

I see. So the student MAY be able to go to some elite secondary school, except he may have to ballot for it. Well, it's still a chance, better than no chance at all if it is clear that someone else is better than him using the old t-score.

Maybe it's time we should call a horse a horse. MOE has replaced a system that can finely place students in schools, with another system that has an element of \"chance\" in it. Is this better? Who knows. Maybe it's good for kids who need more time to adjust to secondary school. But I wouldn't want to be a top scorer who gets squeezed out of my desired school by someone I know is not as good as me, by something called chance.

Under t-score, every mark counts because COP was measured by a single or decimal of a mark. And how well their peers do will also affect their own score.

Under AL system, students only need to do their best and their best is all that count. How other students performed will not affect their own score.

MOE has already recommended students pick their choices and order of school carefully. If suppose a student score AL6, he or she certainly need to pick a AL7 COP school as 2nd or 3rd choice. I am sure parents cant be too upset to see their child getting into into AL7 COP school right?[/quote]To be fair, students with the highest score should be able to get into their dream schools just like a hardworking staff should get his promotion. If there are only 10 places left in a school with 15 students fighting for the places, the selection criteria should be their exam result not their luck by balloting. In Chinese, we say \"技不如人，
輸得心服口服\" if the losers are having a lower score than the winners.

[AHsDad]

No student (and parent) who gets eg AL6 should ever feel superior to another student who gets same AL6 because the true score will never be known. Balloting is among equals.


Personally, I think the gov intent makes sense, ie for kids to challenge themselves and not others. New AL scoring, though not perfect, is a move in the right direction.

Just my 2 cents 🏼

[lee_yl]

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[quote=Veyron post_id=2044520 time=1635831746 user_id=30663]

The stress from PSLE actually arises from parents' desire to send their children to the top secondary schools of their choice. As long as the desire is there, there will always be stress regardless of which exam system as demand will always outstrip supply.

So if parents wish to be less stressful or stress-free PSLE, then be contented with whatever secondary school the PSLE result offers. Under the AL system, it should be less stressful because there are now more choices

So for those parents who are contented with whatever secondary school theirs kids go, under the old tscore system, they will also be stress free. And for those who aim for top schools be it under the old or new system, they will equally be stressful.
So is the reform needless?

Please elaborate how the AL system makes choices much wider? Under the old tscore system, one can also pick any sec school of their choice so long they can meet the COP

1) Under new AL system, 90 is the new 100, which mean students doesn't need to work extra hard to achieve that 100 or \"perfect\" score.

2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.[/quote]1). If no need to work extra hard to achieve 100% so now psle deemed less stressful, why students still need to cry over the tough maths paper?

2). Eligible for more schools with similar AL COP? Under old tscore isn’t it the same? If one’s tscore is 23X, one can choose all the schools with COP 23X. I do not think there are more choices.