2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)
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Veyron\" post_id=\"2044844\" time=\"1636006979\" user_id=\"30663:
You are just reinforcing my point, the math question is specially designed in such a way to be solved by model method. 3rd time I am asking you, why don’t we use the model method after PSLE?
Correction, correction!! model drawing is just one of the several methods taught in primary school to solve maths problems and there are no PSLE math questions that insist students on using the model method only. Model drawing is a very powerful tool to help break down information and give visible clues on how to solve the problems visually.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044833\" time=\"1636001556\" user_id=\"17023:
Precisely! The P6 Math questions are designed specifically to be solved by model method only. The convoluted logic and language of these questions are surreal.
My repeated question to you, do you make use of the model method after P6? The answer is obviously zero and that shows how limited the model method is. It has to be recognized for what it is, a tool to help young children visualize the abstract concepts of algebra and when these concepts are mastered, there are better techniques to use.
Anyway, OT.
As I have said before, there are some P6 math questions that are harder to solve using algebra. If you disagree, you can always pick up some P6 maths questions and have a go. You might end up with 2 pages of equations and yet stuck with no solution. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044846\" time=\"1636008034\" user_id=\"17023:
This is the 3rd time I am mentioning that model drawing is just 1 of the several methods taught in primary school to help students to solve math problems. And model drawing is a tool to help students understand more complex math questions using visual drawing and breaking them down into parts and units.
You are just reinforcing my point, the math question is specially designed in such a way to be solved by model method. 3rd time I am asking you, why don’t we use the model method after PSLE?
And there is certainly more than 1 way to solve PSLE math questions. another very commonly used method is UTM.
If you believe your knowledge in algebra is superior to other approaches, then just stick with it, there is no need to blame MOE when you struggle to solve P6 math questions using algebra. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2044856\" time=\"1636014223\" user_id=\"30663:
You are avoiding my question, let me repeat myself, where can you find the model method (or UTM) outside P6? These are pedagogical tools useful to teach abstract concepts, that’s all.
This is the 3rd time I am mentioning that model drawing is just 1 of the several methods taught in primary school to help students to solve math problems. And model drawing is a tool to help students understand more complex math questions using visual drawing and breaking them down into parts and units.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044846\" time=\"1636008034\" user_id=\"17023:
You are just reinforcing my point, the math question is specially designed in such a way to be solved by model method. 3rd time I am asking you, why don’t we use the model method after PSLE?
And there is certainly more than 1 way to solve PSLE math questions. another very commonly used method is UTM.
If you believe your knowledge in algebra is superior to other approaches, then just stick with it, there is no need to blame MOE when you struggle to solve P6 math questions using algebra.
Your inability to answer my straight forward question and attempt to divert speak volumes already.
Who struggled with psle questions and blame MOE? I hope you don’t think it’s me as I already mentioned earlier that I currently have nothing at stake with PSLE. -
The Model Method – A Bridge To Introducing Algebra
https://www.mceducation.com/mce-intl/about-us/social-media-page-sharing/spark/2017/06/05/the-model-method-a-bridge-to-introducing-algebra -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044862\" time=\"1636015671\" user_id=\"17023:
You are avoiding my question, let me repeat myself, where can you find the model method (or UTM) outside P6? These are pedagogical tools useful to teach abstract concepts, that’s all.
This is the 3rd time I am mentioning that model drawing is just 1 of the several methods taught in primary school to help students to solve math problems. And model drawing is a tool to help students understand more complex math questions using visual drawing and breaking them down into parts and units.Veyron\" post_id=\"2044856\" time=\"1636014223\" user_id=\"30663:
[quote=lee_yl post_id=2044846 time=1636008034 user_id=17023]You are just reinforcing my point, the math question is specially designed in such a way to be solved by model method. 3rd time I am asking you, why don’t we use the model method after PSLE?
And there is certainly more than 1 way to solve PSLE math questions. another very commonly used method is UTM.
If you believe your knowledge in algebra is superior to other approaches, then just stick with it, there is no need to blame MOE when you struggle to solve P6 math questions using algebra.
Your inability to answer my straight forward question and attempt to divert speak volumes already.
Who struggled with psle questions and blame MOE? I hope you don’t think it’s me as I already mentioned earlier that I currently have nothing at stake with PSLE.[/quote]Hi....we are here just talk, talk only....no right or wrong....we exchange our ideas happily here.
Today is a holiday and all of us should be relaxed.
Due to advance technology, we are able to meet and talk to each other here.....no one is perfect....I think all of you have a point in maths question of PSLE. In my office, we have a post called senior technical officer (STO) but my colleagues also called me STO even I am not a technical people because they say I am a Senior Talk Officer.(STO)...talk....talk....only :rahrah: -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044862\" time=\"1636015671\" user_id=\"17023:
The reason I am having this discussion is to address your concern that 2021 PSLE Math exams questions are too difficult for P6es and I have highlighted the limitation of using algebra to solve challenging math questions.
You are avoiding my question, let me repeat myself, where can you find the model method (or UTM) outside P6? These are pedagogical tools useful to teach abstract concepts, that’s all.
Your inability to answer my straight forward question and attempt to divert speak volumes already.
Who struggled with psle questions and blame MOE? I hope you don’t think it’s me as I already mentioned earlier that I currently have nothing at stake with PSLE.
If you believe that algebra is THE gold standard, by all mean educate your child in the way you deem fit, however, if you hit the brick wall, just don't go around blaming MOE for setting maths questions you cannot solve. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2044870\" time=\"1636020116\" user_id=\"30663:
I am not the one who said the questions are too difficult. Difficult questions are deliberately set inside the PSLE paper, something admitted by Deputy DG(Education) himself.
The reason I am having this discussion is to address your concern that 2021 PSLE Math exams questions are too difficult for P6es and I have highlighted the limitation of using algebra to solve challenging math questions.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044862\" time=\"1636015671\" user_id=\"17023:
You are avoiding my question, let me repeat myself, where can you find the model method (or UTM) outside P6? These are pedagogical tools useful to teach abstract concepts, that’s all.
Your inability to answer my straight forward question and attempt to divert speak volumes already.
Who struggled with psle questions and blame MOE? I hope you don’t think it’s me as I already mentioned earlier that I currently have nothing at stake with PSLE.
If you believe that algebra is THE gold standard, by all mean educate your child in the way you deem fit, however, if you hit the brick wall, just don't go around blaming MOE for setting maths questions you cannot solve.
Why should I blame MOE? My children are done with PSLE and both are moving towards JCs. -
MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2044780\" time=\"1635986954\" user_id=\"43981:
One is good at primary school maths may not do well in secondary school maths. Because in sec sch, there is no model method, it is a different ball game….
Will a kid got too used to model method have some issues when go secondary? That's what I suspect for my kid..
Actually it shouldn’t be the case. No one uses model method in sec sch. There should be a transition but unfortunately, there isn’t. From P6 to sec 1, the jump in maths is very abrupt. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2044870\" time=\"1636020116\" user_id=\"30663:
Roger.....Roger....thank you for highlighting the limitations of using algebra in solving maths problems. Of course, I believe there is also limitations of using the model method in Maths.
The reason I am having this discussion is to address your concern that 2021 PSLE Math exams questions are too difficult for P6es and I have highlighted the limitation of using algebra to solve challenging math questions.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044862\" time=\"1636015671\" user_id=\"17023:
You are avoiding my question, let me repeat myself, where can you find the model method (or UTM) outside P6? These are pedagogical tools useful to teach abstract concepts, that’s all.
Your inability to answer my straight forward question and attempt to divert speak volumes already.
Who struggled with psle questions and blame MOE? I hope you don’t think it’s me as I already mentioned earlier that I currently have nothing at stake with PSLE.
If you believe that algebra is THE gold standard, by all mean educate your child in the way you deem fit, however, if you hit the brick wall, just don't go around blaming MOE for setting maths questions you cannot solve.
Whether any parents blaming the MOE or not for setting a controversy question, it is their freedom or in other words it is their topics....not yours. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044892\" time=\"1636028095\" user_id=\"17023:
When I first started to learn model mtd with dd at P3, I kept going to algebra.. After awhile dd caught up faster than me and I let go of her hands. Come Sec 1 she failed her Maths, (I must say also due to her own other problems)..one day I asked her to bring the Math book to me and then I noticed she was very clumsy with algebra..she doesn't seem to catch it, that was my feeling.
One is good at primary school maths may not do well in secondary school maths. Because in sec sch, there is no model method, it is a different ball game….MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2044780\" time=\"1635986954\" user_id=\"43981:
Will a kid got too used to model method have some issues when go secondary? That's what I suspect for my kid..
Actually it shouldn’t be the case. No one uses model method in sec sch. There should be a transition but unfortunately, there isn’t. From P6 to sec 1, the jump in maths is very abrupt.
So I thought never mind maybe transition, she improves though still yoyo but at least never failed again touch wood..few times in my heart I have qn..I always thought dd's Maths is not bad in Pri but in Sec, I really have my doubt liao. So you are right, good at Math at P level doesn't mean good at Sec level..so I think dd is actually good at model mtd but not Maths
With dd2 now, I find the model method easier now but maybe need to take note of this when she goes to S1.
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