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    2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Primary 6 & PSLE
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    • Liew Nga WingL Offline
      Liew Nga Wing
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      lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044890\" time=\"1636027608\" user_id=\"17023:

      Veyron\" post_id=\"2044870\" time=\"1636020116\" user_id=\"30663:

      [quote=lee_yl post_id=2044862 time=1636015671 user_id=17023]You are avoiding my question, let me repeat myself, where can you find the model method (or UTM) outside P6? These are pedagogical tools useful to teach abstract concepts, that’s all.

      Your inability to answer my straight forward question and attempt to divert speak volumes already.

      Who struggled with psle questions and blame MOE? I hope you don’t think it’s me as I already mentioned earlier that I currently have nothing at stake with PSLE.

      The reason I am having this discussion is to address your concern that 2021 PSLE Math exams questions are too difficult for P6es and I have highlighted the limitation of using algebra to solve challenging math questions.

      If you believe that algebra is THE gold standard, by all mean educate your child in the way you deem fit, however, if you hit the brick wall, just don't go around blaming MOE for setting maths questions you cannot solve.

      I am not the one who said the questions are too difficult. Difficult questions are deliberately set inside the PSLE paper, something admitted by Deputy DG(Education) himself.

      Why should I blame MOE? My children are done with PSLE and both are moving towards JCs.[/quote]Agree the questions are controversial because my manager also don't know how to solve them.

      It is nothing wrong even you blame the MOE, it is your freedom, every day when I travel to work via MRT, there are so many people blaming the Government for its policies.......

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      • lee_ylL Offline
        lee_yl
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        Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2044895\" time=\"1636029933\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044895 time=1636029933 user_id=195250]
        lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044890\" time=\"1636027608\" user_id=\"17023:
        Agree the questions are controversial because my manager also don't know how to solve them.

        It is nothing wrong even you blame the MOE, it is your freedom, every day when I travel to work via MRT, there are so many people blaming the Government for its policies.......
        :rotflmao:
        I have been through two PSLE with my kids a few years back and the high level of stress turned my hair white!

        So when govt announced PSLE reform to AL Banding, I really hope to see future P6 students and their parents less stressful than what I had been through. If after all the reforms, the P6 students and their parents are still as stressed, then the reform is in name only and nothing had really changed.

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        • VeyronV Offline
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          Parents need to be mindful when trying to introduce algebra to P6es because the algebra they are taught in school are very basic and they are not equipped to solve challenging math problems using algebra.


          Those who swear by the algebra being the gold standard, can you demonstrate how to solve this PSLE question

          Helen and Ivan had the same number of coins. Helen had a number of 50-cent coins and 64 20-cent coins. Helen’s coins had a total mass of 1.134kg. Ivan had a number of 50-cent coins and 104 20-cent coins.

          (a) Who has more money in coins and by how much?
          (b) Given that each 50-cent coin is 2.7g more heavier than a 20-cent coin, what is the mass of Ivan’s coins in kilograms?"

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          • Liew Nga WingL Offline
            Liew Nga Wing
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            Veyron\" post_id=\"2044897\" time=\"1636032263\" user_id=\"30663:

            Parents need to be mindful when trying to introduce algebra to P6es because the algebra they are taught in school are very basic and they are not equipped to solve challenging math problems using algebra.

            Those who swear by the algebra being the gold standard, can you demonstrate how to solve this PSLE question

            Helen and Ivan had the same number of coins. Helen had a number of 50-cent coins and 64 20-cent coins. Helen's coins had a total mass of 1.134kg. Ivan had a number of 50-cent coins and 104 20-cent coins.

            (a) Who has more money in coins and by how much?
            (b) Given that each 50-cent coin is 2.7g more heavier than a 20-cent coin, what is the mass of Ivan's coins in kilograms?\"
            I assumed this topic of Algebra vs Model is already over lah, no point to continue right? We are all good friends......

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            • VeyronV Offline
              Veyron
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              Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2044899\" time=\"1636033115\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044899 time=1636033115 user_id=195250]
              Veyron\" post_id=\"2044897\" time=\"1636032263\" user_id=\"30663:
              Parents need to be mindful when trying to introduce algebra to P6es because the algebra they are taught in school are very basic and they are not equipped to solve challenging math problems using algebra.

              Those who swear by the algebra being the gold standard, can you demonstrate how to solve this PSLE question

              Helen and Ivan had the same number of coins. Helen had a number of 50-cent coins and 64 20-cent coins. Helen's coins had a total mass of 1.134kg. Ivan had a number of 50-cent coins and 104 20-cent coins.

              (a) Who has more money in coins and by how much?
              (b) Given that each 50-cent coin is 2.7g more heavier than a 20-cent coin, what is the mass of Ivan's coins in kilograms?\"
              I assumed this topic of Algebra vs Model is already over lah, no point to continue right? We are all good friends......[/quote]
              The only debate here is about whether MOE should abolish the model method in favour of algebra. That is the reason why I am asking how to teach P6 to solve this question using algebra.

              Any volunteers?

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              • MrsKiasuM Offline
                MrsKiasu
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                Just curious…is there answer for Helen & Ivan qn.


                Pls ignore…I go Google…

                I just watched…you need some exposure to this kind of qns In order to answer? And where do we usually see this type of qn? I agree with model mtd for this type of qn…very clear.

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                • Liew Nga WingL Offline
                  Liew Nga Wing
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                  lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044890\" time=\"1636027608\" user_id=\"17023:


                  :rotflmao:
                  I have been through two PSLE with my kids a few years back and the high level of stress turned my hair white!

                  So when govt announced PSLE reform to AL Banding, I really hope to see future P6 students and their parents less stressful than what I had been through. If after all the reforms, the P6 students and their parents are still as stressed, then the reform is in name only and nothing had really changed.
                  Whether it is stressful is not only depend on the Reforms of the system, it is on the parents themselves.

                  I explained this morning in other topic, my husband and I never felt any stress when my step son sat for PSLE last time because we prepared him to go for N level as my husband wanted him to have more time to complete his secondary. My step son has already graduated from SIM University as Electrical Engineer.

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                  • VeyronV Offline
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                    Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2044904\" time=\"1636034302\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044904 time=1636034302 user_id=195250]
                    lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044890\" time=\"1636027608\" user_id=\"17023:
                    Whether it is stressful is not only depend on the Reforms of the system, it is on the parents themselves.

                    I explained this morning in other topic, my husband and I never felt any stress when my step son sat for PSLE last time because we prepared him to go for N level as my husband wanted him to have more time to complete his secondary. My step son has already graduated from SIM University as Electrical Engineer.
                    You are absolutely right, which is why I always say that parents who speak very loudly against PSLE stress are often those who are trying very hard to send their children to best possible secondary school. Which also mean putting their child in a more competitive and stressful environment after PSLE.

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                    • VeyronV Offline
                      Veyron
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                      MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2044903\" time=\"1636034032\" user_id=\"43981:

                      Just curious..is there answer for Helen & Ivan qn.

                      Pls ignore..I go Google..
                      Managed to find a solution using pure algebra?

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                      • floppyF Offline
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                        Veyron\" post_id=\"2044897\" time=\"1636032263\" user_id=\"30663:

                        Parents need to be mindful when trying to introduce algebra to P6es because the algebra they are taught in school are very basic and they are not equipped to solve challenging math problems using algebra.

                        Those who swear by the algebra being the gold standard, can you demonstrate how to solve this PSLE question

                        Helen and Ivan had the same number of coins. Helen had a number of 50-cent coins and 64 20-cent coins. Helen's coins had a total mass of 1.134kg. Ivan had a number of 50-cent coins and 104 20-cent coins.

                        (a) Who has more money in coins and by how much?
                        (b) Given that each 50-cent coin is 2.7g more heavier than a 20-cent coin, what is the mass of Ivan's coins in kilograms?\"
                        Let x be the number coins.

                        Helen has
                        [(x-64)*0.5 + 64*0.2]
                        = 0.5x - 32 + 12.8
                        = $(0.5x -19.2) in coins... (1)

                        Ivan has
                        [(x-104)*0.5 + 104*0.2]
                        = 0.5x - 52 + 20.8
                        = $(0.5x - 31.2) in coins... (2)

                        Comparing (1) and (2), Helen has more money in coins.
                        She has [(0.5x -19.2) - (0.5x -31.2)]
                        = 0.5x - 19.2 - 0.5x + 31.2
                        = $12 more in coins.

                        By the way, the last part has nothing to do with algebra.
                        Given that Helen and Ivan has the same number of coins (x), Helen must have 40 more 50 cents coins than Ivan (104 - 64).
                        Therefore, Ivan coins would weight [1.134 - (40 x 2.7)]
                        = 1.134 - 0.108
                        = 1.026 kg

                        Thank you. You are welcome.

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