Catholic High School
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wchong78\" post_id=\"2045865\" time=\"1636614806\" user_id=\"80256:
From previous years, I believe CHS did not hit 80%, ACSI also did not hit 80%.
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks!
Most sec schools do not hit 20%. This means you should find more than 80% of vacancies available for students from other primary schools.
From a “feeling” point of view (i have no stats and no proof), there seems to be more acs boys in acsi o levels, than cat high boys in cat high o levels. Afterall, the pool of students with affiliation is bigger at acs than at chs. Esp also, last time, the affiliation cut off for acsi was 235 and for cat high it was 240. I understand t score is history, I just want to point out why there could be more acs in acsi O than cat high in cat high O. It was simply harder to stay at chs.
But I guess no one as the answer because this is the first AL year, some of the students from ps, js, and cat high primary, may decide to take less risk. -
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2045877\" time=\"1636616633\" user_id=\"2964:
Actually you brought up the point. The COP for ACSI affiliated is at AL13 vs CHS at AL12, so even in the new system, COP for ACSI is still lower, not to mention there are 2 affiliated Primary Schools vs 1 for CHS.
From previous years, I believe CHS did not hit 80%, ACSI also did not hit 80%.
Most sec schools do not hit 20%. This means you should find more than 80% of vacancies available for students from other primary schools.
From a “feeling” point of view (i have no stats and no proof), there seems to be more acs boys in acsi o levels, than cat high boys in cat high o levels. Afterall, the pool of students with affiliation is bigger at acs than at chs. Esp also, last time, the affiliation cut off for acsi was 235 and for cat high it was 240. I understand t score is history, I just want to point out why there could be more acs in acsi O than cat high in cat high O. It was simply harder to stay at chs.
But I guess no one as the answer because this is the first AL year, some of the students from ps, js, and cat high primary, may decide to take less risk.
Well, I guess what few of you mentioned is right, this indicator cannot tell which school has higher chance..
Let's see the final result in 2 weeks time. cheers! -
MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2045877\" time=\"1636616633\" user_id=\"2964:
1. The percentage reserved for non-affiliates is 20% (not 80%).
From previous years, I believe CHS did not hit 80%, ACSI also did not hit 80%.wchong78\" post_id=\"2045865\" time=\"1636614806\" user_id=\"80256:
Thanks all for replying on the potentially where AL9 may fit into the classes for different school.
Well, my question remains on which school that AL9 stands better chance with non-affiliation for OP? CHS or ACSI?
While I tried to search some past KSP post, I read somewhere saying that for CHS OP, typically, the affiliated CHPS will not fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set.
Not sure about ACSI OP case?
Anyone have some insights whether majority of their OP students are from the 2 affiliated AC primary schools?
Will the 2 primary schools typically, fill in all 80% affiliated vacancies available with the COP set?
As choice order is important, I pretty much want to know which one stands higher chance for non-affiliated student?
Thanks!
Most sec schools do not hit 20%. This means you should find more than 80% of vacancies available for students from other primary schools.
From a “feeling” point of view (i have no stats and no proof), there seems to be more acs boys in acsi o levels, than cat high boys in cat high o levels. Afterall, the pool of students with affiliation is bigger at acs than at chs. Esp also, last time, the affiliation cut off for acsi was 235 and for cat high it was 240. I understand t score is history, I just want to point out why there could be more acs in acsi O than cat high in cat high O. It was simply harder to stay at chs.
But I guess no one as the answer because this is the first AL year, some of the students from ps, js, and cat high primary, may decide to take less risk.
- however I believe in CHS, the remaining 80% of vacancies is not fully taken up by affiliates, reason being not all can meet 240 (now 12).
- I’m not sure what happens to the unfilled places. Are they thrown open to non-affiliates beyond the 20%? I think so. But this does not change the simulated COP of 9M.
- for ACSI, the intake size is smaller, so more likely that the affiliates from the 2 primary schools (yes I agree, bigger pool) fill closer to 80% than what CHS affiliates fill. Again, whatever extra number of unfilled places thrown open to public will not change the simulated COP of 9.
2. I don’t really understand the part about the affiliates may decide to take less risk.
- to utilize affiliation priority, the affiliates must put the affiliated school(s) as first choice. So a Cat High primary student scoring at the boundary of 12 will still put CHS as first choice and ballot. Which other better school could he put as first choice? For ACSP/J student scoring 13, similarly no risk to put ACSI as first choice & ballot. The 2nd choice will be the other affiliated school ACS Br (priority still valid even if balloted out from ACSI). Which other school would give less risk for a 13? All other similar Christian schools (PHS, KCPSS) are COP 12-13 also, unless choose GMSS as first choice (15), or Christ Church Secondary (19).
- do u mean Cat high primary those who score far better than 12 but close to RI’s COP may decide to take less risk and go back to CHS instead? That makes more sense. Probably a handful of top scorers this year may give up RI as first choice & pick CHS as first choice. That could lessen the CHS vacancies slightly. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045899\" time=\"1636619756\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045899 time=1636619756 user_id=53606]
Not the group that score far better than AL-12. They could have put ri - chsIP then. Even if they decide not to go for RI, and go for CHS IP now, it would become chs-ip first choice, and this has no effect on the O level vacancies.
2. I don’t really understand the part about the affiliates may decide to take less risk.
- do u mean Cat high primary those who score far better than 12 but close to RI’s COP may decide to take less risk and go back to CHS instead? That makes more sense. Probably a handful of top scorers this year may give up RI as first choice & pick CHS as first choice. That could lessen the CHS vacancies slightly.[/quote]
I mean, the group that scored between 240 and 253, eg a 251+1, could have tried for VS IP in previous years because he didnt like HCL. He could have put 1.VSIP-cop252 (since posting is by merit, no harm trying even though it is 1 pt off) and then 2.CHSO-cop-nonAff-250 (he thinks it is safe since he has 252). But he may stay put now at CHS O. [pls translate all the t scores to AL as I dont know how to put my thoughts in AL format]
Oh well, anything is a possibility -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045899\" time=\"1636619756\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045899 time=1636619756 user_id=53606]
As for part 1. it was a typing mistake on the numerals. I think both of you know what I mean, and the reasoning is consistent.
1. The percentage reserved for non-affiliates is 20%[/quote] -
Ah I see. VS is located pretty far away from CHS, so I wouldn’t have thought it was a contender (depends on the student’s home I suppose).
It’s pretty hard to guess people’s choices isn’t it. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2045913\" time=\"1636623697\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2045913 time=1636623697 user_id=53606]
Yes, the alumni seems to be all over Singapore.
Ah I see. VS is located pretty far away from CHS, so I wouldn’t have thought it was a contender (depends on the student’s home I suppose).
It’s pretty hard to guess people’s choices isn’t it.[/quote] -
Assuming CHS O and ACS(I) O are not close to the 80% cap, then there should be no ballot for affiliates that hit the AMR (CHS = 12 or better, ACS(I) = 13 or better) as everyone can be accepted. Ballot for affiliates will only occur if at some score (AMR or better) the school is up against the 80% cap.
However many spaces were not taken up by qualifying affiliates should then be available for non-affiliates (not just the 20%). I.e. the number of spaces taken up by affiliates and thus the number of spaces available for non-affiliates were both needed to run the simulation and determine the non-affiliated AL COP.
Whether the same number of spaces will be available for non-affiliates this year due to changes in scoring and/or changes in choice is unknown. If I score AL9 here, I will just put whichever school I want more first and hope for the best, as I think it is difficult to know the exact odds (either of the schools could move +/- 1 too, in which case you could be easily in or no chance). -
How is life in cat high O? How are the teachers there? How many O and IP classes are there?
Subject based banding will be implemented from 2024 onwards. How will it work then? -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2045920\" time=\"1636626206\" user_id=\"188234:
That would be easy if there is a school you want more. In which case, you wont even be trying to find out so many things. Because afteralll there is one you like a bit better.
… If I score AL9 here, I will just put whichever school I want more first and hope for the best, as I think it is difficult to know the exact odds (either of the schools could move +/- 1 too, in which case you could be easily in or no chance).
The problem comes when you are indifferent, when you dont mind one or the other, it becomes difficult. Your main priority is just to put the one with the higher chance. I am guessing that is what is happening here.
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