All About GEP
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Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2051171\" time=\"1639051362\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2051171 time=1639051362 user_id=195250]
There is this movie “Good Will Hunting”, about a untameable delinquent but genius young man, finally meet his match in a worldly professor. This was what the professor said to that young man in the movie:
I can summarise up what you said in 8 Chinese Words. 活学活用 (Learn and apply) and 纸上谈兵 (Talk on paper). This is the charming of Chinese Language.[/quote]
“Michelangelo? You know a lot about him. Life’s work, political aspirations. Him and the pope. Sexual orientation. The whole works, right? I bet you can’t tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling. Seeing that. If I ask you about women, you’ll probably give me a syllabus of your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can’t tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. You’re a tough kid. I ask you about war, you’d probably throw Shakespeare at me, right? …… But you’ve never been near one. You’ve never held your best friend’s head in your lap and watch him gasp his last breath, lookin’ to you for help. If I asked you about love, you’d probably quote me a sonnet, but you’ve never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable…… Feelin’ like God put an angel on Earth just for you, who could rescue you from the depths of hell. And you wouldn’t know what it’s like to be her angel, to have that love for her be there forever. Through anything. Through cancer. And you wouldn’t know about sleepin’ sittin’ up in a hospital room for two months, holding her hand, because the doctors could see in your eyes — that the terms ‘visiting hours’ don’t apply to you. You don’t know about real loss, ’cause that only occurs when you love something more than you love yourself. I doubt you’ve ever dared to love anybody that much.”
Ok, maybe these stuffs are dramatised and too distance for our DCs. But these are good examples on difference between world in books and living world. -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2051173\" time=\"1639054053\" user_id=\"175278:
Good Will Hunting... one of the all time favorite movies that I've watched again and again (no more read again and again
There is this movie “Good Will Hunting”, about a untameable delinquent but genius young man, finally meet his match in a worldly professor. This was what the professor said to that young man in the movie:
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And you just quoted one of the most pivotal scenes in the movie. It's a pretty poignant scene, and particularly relevant to the parents of \"geniuses\" in this thread. What it is saying is that no matter how fast a person computes or how much he can absorb from his readings, nothing beats the actual experience we have all gone through. It's really important that your child goes through the real experience rather than just by reading, so that he can commiserate and really understand why we do the things we do. -
Let me a bit off topic here. In real life, things may not be working out so perfectly as in the movie.
Last night, I bumped into a friend at Jurong East MRT. He was a "gifted" kid and has graduated as the Master of Mathematics from NUS. He is so intelligent that he always wins during our boardgames events as he can calculate all possibilities of winning the games by every move.
But the problem is - he doesn’t know how to get along with people and he usually stands firm on his own beliefs and never care how other feel. Finally he has argued with people in different boardgames groups until no one want to play with him. I had tried my best to bring him out to meet my friends for eating and boardgames events before the pandemic but I gave him up at last because he made everyone angry with him.
He told me he is now working as a private Mathematics tutor for secondary school students and he cannot earn much from it. I asked him why not he get a full time job and he said he cannot work with people.
There is no professor and no psychiatric counselor to help him as in the movie. -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2051182\" time=\"1639062156\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2051182 time=1639062156 user_id=195250]
“A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.
Let me a bit off topic here. In real life, things may not be working out so perfectly as in the movie.
Last night, I bumped into a friend at Jurong East MRT. He was a \"gifted\" kid and has graduated as the Master of Mathematics from NUS. He is so intelligent that he always wins during our boardgames events as he can calculate all possibilities of winning the games by every move.
But the problem is - he doesn't know how to get along with people and he usually stands firm on his own beliefs and never care how other feel. Finally he has argued with people in different boardgames groups until no one want to play with him. I had tried my best to bring him out to meet my friends for eating and boardgames events before the pandemic but I gave him up at last because he made everyone angry with him.
He told me he is now working as a private Mathematics tutor for secondary school students and he cannot earn much from it. I asked him why not he get a full time job and he said he cannot work with people.
There is no professor and no psychiatric counselor to help him as in the movie.[/quote]
Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, “Jump in, I can save you.”
The stranded fellow shouted back, “No, it’s OK, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me.”
So the rowboat went on.
Then a motorboat follow by a helicopter came by. “The fellows in the motorboat/helicopter shouted the same, “Jump in, I can save you.”
To this the stranded man said, “No thanks, I’m praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith.”
Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, “I had faith in you but you didn’t save me, you let me drown. I don’t understand why!”
To this God replied, “I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?””
My view is, movie often dramatise, for entertainment. We can take it as an analogy to our daily equivalents . Just like the story above. Maybe your mathematician friend is that fellow, you the rowboat, and this KSP forum the helicopter?
Maybe your mathematician friend need to be exposed to other perspective not found in game theory first, and exposures to more people, later?
You are very kind too
Out of curiosity, What were the quarreling about
between your math friend and the others? -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2051182\" time=\"1639062156\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2051182 time=1639062156 user_id=195250]
I couldn't agree more with what you said. You hit the point!! Whatever we want our kids to achieve, we should always bear in mind socialising skills, human relation , interaction with peers etc are important too. We can't be labelling the child as \"smart\" so to only mix with the \"smart\". In reality the child eventually need to learn to mix with all walks of life to better fitted into the society. I would say slow down if you walk faster than others...walk faster if others are fast...
Let me a bit off topic here. In real life, things may not be working out so perfectly as in the movie.
Last night, I bumped into a friend at Jurong East MRT. He was a \"gifted\" kid and has graduated as the Master of Mathematics from NUS. He is so intelligent that he always wins during our boardgames events as he can calculate all possibilities of winning the games by every move.
But the problem is - he doesn't know how to get along with people and he usually stands firm on his own beliefs and never care how other feel. Finally he has argued with people in different boardgames groups until no one want to play with him. I had tried my best to bring him out to meet my friends for eating and boardgames events before the pandemic but I gave him up at last because he made everyone angry with him.
He told me he is now working as a private Mathematics tutor for secondary school students and he cannot earn much from it. I asked him why not he get a full time job and he said he cannot work with people.
There is no professor and no psychiatric counselor to help him as in the movie.[/quote] -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2051182\" time=\"1639062156\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2051182 time=1639062156 user_id=195250]
I couldn't agree more with what you said. You hit the point!! Whatever we want our kids to achieve, we should always bear in mind socialising skills, human relation , interaction with peers etc are important too. We can't be labelling the child as \"smart\" so to only mix with the \"smart\". In reality the child eventually need to learn to mix with all walks of life to better fitted into the society. I would say slow down if you walk faster than others...walk faster if others are fast...
Let me a bit off topic here. In real life, things may not be working out so perfectly as in the movie.
Last night, I bumped into a friend at Jurong East MRT. He was a \"gifted\" kid and has graduated as the Master of Mathematics from NUS. He is so intelligent that he always wins during our boardgames events as he can calculate all possibilities of winning the games by every move.
But the problem is - he doesn't know how to get along with people and he usually stands firm on his own beliefs and never care how other feel. Finally he has argued with people in different boardgames groups until no one want to play with him. I had tried my best to bring him out to meet my friends for eating and boardgames events before the pandemic but I gave him up at last because he made everyone angry with him.
He told me he is now working as a private Mathematics tutor for secondary school students and he cannot earn much from it. I asked him why not he get a full time job and he said he cannot work with people.
There is no professor and no psychiatric counselor to help him as in the movie.[/quote] -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2051206\" time=\"1639094475\" user_id=\"175278:
I will pm you direct for this later as we are already off topic to discuss here.
Out of curiosity, What were the quarreling about
between your math friend and the others? -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2051182\" time=\"1639062156\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2051182 time=1639062156 user_id=195250]
If you have the opportunity, you might want to suggest that the son go for some kind of evaluation? Just based on this description, he sounds like he could have Asperger's Syndrome (high-functioning autism). Some of these are highly intelligent, but unfortunately lack social skills. Coaching can help. [My 24-yo daughter has Asperger's, though just average intelligence. She starts her first real job today, so we are crossing all fingers and toes!]
...But the problem is - he doesn't know how to get along with people and he usually stands firm on his own beliefs and never care how other feel. Finally he has argued with people in different boardgames groups until no one want to play with him. I had tried my best to bring him out to meet my friends for eating and boardgames events before the pandemic but I gave him up at last because he made everyone angry with him.
He told me he is now working as a private Mathematics tutor for secondary school students and he cannot earn much from it. I asked him why not he get a full time job and he said he cannot work with people.
There is no professor and no psychiatric counselor to help him as in the movie.[/quote] -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2051215\" time=\"1639098449\" user_id=\"28674:
Wishing your DD all the best and plenty of success in her job!
If you have the opportunity, you might want to suggest that the son go for some kind of evaluation? Just based on this description, he sounds like he could have Asperger's Syndrome (high-functioning autism). Some of these are highly intelligent, but unfortunately lack social skills. Coaching can help. [My 24-yo daughter has Asperger's, though just average intelligence. She starts her first real job today, so we are crossing all fingers and toes!]
We had advised the young mathematician to go for some kind of counselling before but he insisted that he was OK and only other people were unkind to him. -
Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2051216\" time=\"1639100269\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2051216 time=1639100269 user_id=195250]
Moved this to the All about Autism thread as it's rather OT here:
Wishing your DD all the best and plenty of success in her job!
We had advised the young mathematician to go for some kind of counselling before but he insisted that he was OK and only other people were unkind to him.[/quote]
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=935&p=2051225#p2051225
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