Property Views
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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2060418\" time=\"1646271013\" user_id=\"43981:
We’ve checked everything we could. Small claim can’t work as the tenancy agreement (TA) is longer than 2years. Small claims only doable if TA is 2years or less.
Can we report to police? Small claim tribunal? Cannot do till like that to cheat ppl leh. Rental increase just nego with tenants and if cant then give time them time to shift out and return deposit. But commitment is commitment, landlord 'promised' to rent out 3 yrs right at that fee...
Even if want to force ppl out also..got cheek to forfeit deposit plus get police resources :faint: many many type of ppl outside..
Rightfully, if want to increase rental just say it out. But the problem is, the TA still has 8 more months to run. Not possible to suddenly ask for 40% increase in rental.
As for police, when landlord called them, police had to make a trip down? We went to police station to enquire, police said cannot be revealed what the landlord said to them. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2060422\" time=\"1646271564\" user_id=\"66413:
Oh… I forgot to mention that the landlord is a qualified agent herself. From her actions, she’s gaming the system to her advantage.
The foreign tenant can seek recourse thro Small Claims Tribunal, report the case to police & HDB might slam in with repossession. Evidences are there since she brought in police & her agents advertised on PropertyGuru. Wld like to wipe off the smirk fr this greedy landlord. -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2060426\" time=\"1646278281\" user_id=\"14025:
Cannot lah. So it’s up to whether tenant wants to sue the landlord in court. We went to seek lawyer’s advice and was quoted $5K-$8K to fight the case and even after a favorable verdict, landlord can still drag her feet to pay back the deposit.
under normal circumstances ie tenant didnt do anything bad or illegal, can the landlord premature terminate the lease AND confiscate the deposit?
I thought the renting out of hdb is max 2 years?
If there is an agent involved, didnt the agent provide advice?
Renting out HDB for 3yrs is possible but only applicable to Malaysian PR and S’porean tenants. We did ask HDB regarding this, again, not likely to see any action. -
if the identity of the landlord is known and what she did was incorrect, surely there is a way to report and seek recourse for the tenant.
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MyPillow\" post_id=\"2060427\" time=\"1646278873\" user_id=\"70594:
She did not manage to evict the tenants until she wrote in to HDB to terminate the approval to rent out her unit.
yah, dunno what unreasonable grounds the landlord use to premature end the contract, n manage to get spf to evict the tenant?
With the HDB termination letter, the tenant was accused of being an overstayers so the landlord had the right to repossess the house. On those grounds, the landlord reported Police to seek their help to peacefully reclaim her house. For the tenant, to suddenly wake up in the morning with police in the house was a pretty scary experience! -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2060456\" time=\"1646302397\" user_id=\"14025:
Indeed, the landlord has been high handed in exercising termination with HDB to vacate tenants. Need to know what her excuse for terminating the contract. Tenant hv only recourse in a civil court for compensation (completion of tenancy contract plus additional compensation for loss of abode & diff in next rental) if the court finds evidence of breach of contract.
if the identity of the landlord is known and what she did was incorrect, surely there is a way to report and seek recourse for the tenant.
There’s an easy way to to put the agent (whoever this agent is & it is serious indeed if this agent abuses her professional knowledge to her adv - so either the landlord gets the boot or if LL & Agent are diff parties, the official Agent in TA gets the boot) in place - report to CEA. Licence loss immediately if indeed found to hv gone overboard with evidence of a 3-year rental contract of HDB unit. Small Claims Court will mediate initially, but if one party is stubborn & evidence points to disadv towards Ano, the SCTC will comes on strong for the underdogs. Once the Court decision awarded, if indeed tobthe tenant, the landlord is given a deadline, once passed, the Bailiff will be activated. No way to avoid. Whether a landlord going after a foreign tenant or a foreign tenant claiming against landlord, the Court will be fair, unless one party ceased to be resident in SG. -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2060431\" time=\"1646282894\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2060431 time=1646282894 user_id=58173]
All will be in hot soup? Not quite as HDB has been informed and asked directly if they plan to take any action. HDB didn’t reply.
Yes, agree with Zac’s mum that this is not a loophole.
If the police were activated, I believe the landlord must have had a clause in the contract that allows him to reclaim his unit. He could also genuinely want to move back to the unit, but upon reclaiming it, realised that it’s not in good condition.. so he used the 3 months deposit to renovate it, and thus commanding a higher rental after it was renovated.
At first, it was stated that the landlord “confiscated” the deposit.. and then it says “withheld” the deposit. This case seems a little one sided.. perhaps need to listen to the other side of the story.
However, I agree that taking 3 months of deposit is excessive. Unless landlord can provide evidence that many items are not maintained regularly as per their contract. Eg. No servicing of the aircon resulting in it breaking down.. despite of their contractual obligation.
And if indeed they have signed a 3 year contract with a foreigner, all parties are at fault too. Not just the landlord, the agent and tenant should not do that too. They will all be in hot soup. However, I know of instances whereby the main tenant is a new citizen or PR.. although the other tenant is foreigner.[/quote]
Landlord said kitchen floor tiles chipped, need to hack and re-tile the whole kitchen so the 3 month deposit would be confiscated. Oh, the 3 month deposit still not enough, need another $15k more. Lawyer told tenant, only way is to go court to settle the dispute. Most tenants will not want to go to court as the cost of going to court is more than the benefits.
The interval period between getting the termination letter from HDB to the unit being rented out again is around 14 days. Definitely no time for renovation and landlord basically lied to HDB citing the need for own stay while she never had the intention to in the first place and promptly rented the whole unit out. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2060463\" time=\"1646306632\" user_id=\"66413:
Haha, I brought the tenant to CEA office and we also emailed CEA about the case. The tenant even broke down and cried at the CEA office. The officer-in-charge asked us to go home first and CEA would investigate (they need 4 months to investigate) but 4 months have passed and no news heard from CEA.
Indeed, the landlord has been high handed in exercising termination with HDB to vacate tenants. Need to know what her excuse for terminating the contract. Tenant hv only recourse in a civil court for compensation (completion of tenancy contract plus additional compensation for loss of abode & diff in next rental) if the court finds evidence of breach of contract.
There’s an easy way to to put the agent (whoever this agent is & it is serious indeed if this agent abuses her professional knowledge to her adv - so either the landlord gets the boot or if LL & Agent are diff parties, the official Agent in TA gets the boot) in place - report to CEA. Licence loss immediately if indeed found to hv gone overboard with evidence of a 3-year rental contract of HDB unit. Small Claims Court will mediate initially, but if one party is stubborn & evidence points to disadv towards Ano, the SCTC will comes on strong for the underdogs. Once the Court decision awarded, if indeed tobthe tenant, the landlord is given a deadline, once passed, the Bailiff will be activated. No way to avoid. Whether a landlord going after a foreign tenant or a foreign tenant claiming against landlord, the Court will be fair, unless one party ceased to be resident in SG.
The landlord is an agent herself. We saw her advertising the unit on Property Guru thus, her licence is still valid, I guess. -
Usually, the authorities, incl the police & CEA will keep close watch. Stronger evidence will be collected. This case seems so obvious.
In any case, tenants shld NVR be responsible for the LL’s renovation ‘desire’. There is a limit to repairs & not entire house reinstatement. Major costs shld be borned by LL, unless the LL hv evidences of deliberate damages. Onus is for LL to show proof. I’ve came across a SCTC judge who started lightly asking if LL doing a major reno on tenant’s acct? Then award was granted to tenant & LL warned to ensure prompt pymt to claimant. CEA will not help tenant for any claims. Only SCTC can do so. Registration for SCTC costs affordable by men on the street. -
Early Termination (amt <$20K) - SCTC
Agent misconduct - CEA
(Let CEA ‘love’ such agents ‘sack doe loong’ in Cantonese). We need to hv truly professional Real Esstate Agents
HDB rules contravene (support with TA - HDB
To get more attention/publicity for case - Stomp
hahaha (the last just my cheeky suggestion)
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