Anglo-Chinese School (Independent)
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If 38 IB score can be accepted into oversea medicine course that are recognised by Singapore, and many Singapore IB schools, both local and international, can easily produce 38 points scorers, are we seeing alot of these students who aspire to be doctor, invest $600K for an overseas medicine course and then come back to Singapore to become a doctor? If $600K is too much for them, they could take a loan , with the HDB flat as collateral. After all, some parent pointed out doctors’ cash registers are ringing with earnings from foreigners and doctor buying landed property. It mean it’s a winning investment to borrow $600K for an overseas medicine course for these 38 point scorers as the loan be easily repay many times over by doctors’ future earnings.
For parents who think it a discover loophole, will
they start sending their children who aspire to be doctor, first to international IB schools instead of local schools, to have a much better shot at becoming a doctor? High international IB school fees can also be covered as a long term winning investment via the above method too. -
It’s not as straightfwd to weigh ‘investment’ in a medicine paper as it’ll need conversion for the Sporean graduate. The costs is just too high in terms of fees & time. For that matter, it’s not strfwd even for degrees earned fr downunder as they’re not allowed to directly practice w/o going through at least 2 years of attachment with a local hospital, and vis-versa. My own nephew & his wife were both highly recognized practicing pediatricians, but when they brot their 3 kids over to Australia, they cannot practice despite years established at their profession/speciality. They eventually went over to NZ to certify themselves in order to practice in Australia. I suppose that answers the question as to why our govt does not offer scholarships for overseas study in medicine.
Provided parents hv deep deep pockets & one hv no objections to spending extra years & compete with juniors of 3-5 years. It’s tougher for the boys after NS. Anyway, there are so many other professions available as options with good grades to pursue that’ll meet their interests these days.
Just a small sharing of my perspective. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2128080\" time=\"1706365218\" user_id=\"17023:
I believe I have answered usaik881's question as far as it can be answered. You just don't like my answers.
Of cos I need to clarify because you are not answering direct to the questions posted by USAIK881.
The distribution of local IB students is not as exclusive nowadays with more S’poreans opting to join international schools like SJI International. Take SJI International for example, its average IB score is 36.7 for 2023 and HCIS is even better with 57% of its students scoring at least 38pts. These international schools are definitely not as selective or the students as academically strong as the traditional MOE IB schools.
The comparison between H2 Chemistry paper and IB Chemistry HL paper is not equivalent simply because the paper designed for the former is targeted at the local student population whereas the latter is targeted at a global student population whose academic level is admittedly below Singapore’s. Moreover even at HL standard the depth covered still pales when compared to H2. As a former educator you should know this very well.
I don’t think studying 6 subjects is as time-consuming or complex as portrayed. After all, at A-levels there is also GP, Project Work and Mother Tongue to handle.
Moreover, many 16-year olds in Singapore study 8 or more subjects at O-levels. Again, if the average student in SJI International or HCIS can score better than IB36 points, it does tell you how attainable it is.
Interestingly, I just realized that only 58% of RI students scored at least 3 H2 distinctions in 2022 A-levels. In comparison, 57% of HCIS students scored at least IB38. This statistic is very glaring.
Yes, I have freely admitted that the Chem H2 paper is tougher than the Chem HL paper. That doesn't necessarily mean that getting 3 H2 distinctions is necessarily harder than getting 36 points for the IB exams (note, the original question mentioned AAA inc chemistry, and ignored GP/PW/L2). 580 RJC students per year may have cruised to their grades, while 60 HCIS students may have cruised to theirs. Or not. We just don't know. Hence my answer has always been a personal one: I think it is easier to get 3 H2 distinctions, personally, and I have reasons for it. You don't think so, you have reasons for it. Great!
As for schools outside scope of discussion, consider that the ACS(Independent) cohort alone is larger than the HCIS and SJI(Int'l) cohorts combined. Percentages are cool, but numbers are better.
I have nothing more to add, and I think that ACS(Independent) parents who read through this interesting discussion should probably have enough information to decide if they have made the right choice or not. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2128084\" time=\"1706370330\" user_id=\"66413:
Thks for your sharing. I got the impression from another parent’s sharing it’s doable for those aspiring doctors and it sounded manageable : $600k, overseas medicine course, recognised by Singapore. And non stop good earnings, can buy landed property. so it mean can cover $600k comfortably
It’s not as straightfwd to weigh ‘investment’ in a medicine paper as it’ll need conversion for the Sporean graduate. The costs is just too high in terms of fees & time. For that matter, it’s not strfwd even for degrees earned fr downunder as they’re not allowed to directly practice w/o going through at least 2 years of attachment with a local hospital, and vis-versa. My own nephew & his wife were both highly recognized practicing pediatricians, but when they brot their 3 kids over to Australia, they cannot practice despite years established at their profession/speciality. They eventually went over to NZ to certify themselves in order to practice in Australia. I suppose that answers the question as to why our govt does not offer scholarships for overseas study in medicine.
Provided parents hv deep deep pockets & one hv no objections to spending extra years & compete with juniors of 3-5 years. It’s tougher for the boys after NS. Anyway, there are so many other professions available as options with good grades to pursue that’ll meet their interests these days.
Just a small sharing of my perspective. -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2128086\" time=\"1706371334\" user_id=\"175278:
Errr, I’m not sure if S$600K is doable in today’s context but certainly not in UK, much less doable with the need to complete & cost of conversion or the extra years forgone in attachments before conversion, whilst peers in other professions hv raise in their career climb, set up families & homes. A sharing of years gone by? Possibly in Ireland? Even then costs hv escaped in the last couple of years post Covid.
Thks for your sharing. I got the impression from another parent’s sharing it’s doable for those aspiring doctors and it sounded manageable : $600k, overseas medicine course, recognised by Singapore. And non stop good earnings, can buy landed property. so it mean can cover $600k comfortably
I’m not sure if the ends justify the means or education shld necessarily lead one to achieve one’s passion & if “good earnings” or ownership of “landed property” will necessarily fulfill one’s dreams. Many hv been disillusioned by the changing landscape of a medical graduate & you’ve probably hear of stories of the hard lives of doctors. To be a doctor is really a calling. A 19 or young adult may yet realize what they really want in life, and hardly mature enuf to think of sacrificing passion for a calling (the 2 isn’t always necessarily complementary). -
My child dropped the thought of doing medicine after going through the training conducted by Med seniors in preparation for a Med competition. Decided that she has no such brain power, perseverance nor grit to survive through the course. Even dropped bio in JC, although we were prepared to spend the x amount of money to send overseas. And we are ok with her decision. Ultimately regardless of how much money we are willing to spend to groom the child, the one doing the actual studying and going through the hardship is the child himself. Between job shadowing at hospitals vs knowing the amount of work needed, the latter had a bigger impact on my child.
Many pathways be it UK/international A level, IB, /community’s college, foundation courses, overseas Med/law even Pharmacy looks easier on the surface, but personally I find that the devil lies in the details. Better experience more, research more and go in with eyes open. -
To add on the the above post, on the other hand sometimes I think it is not a bad idea to go into something ‘half-blind’, because the more you find out, the more you may find that none of the pathways/careers look attractive… so the best advice I have received is just do what the child think he/she likes at the point of choosing a course, don’t think so much of the career path, job prospects etc.
In any top school, my own take is that 80-90% of the students will become rank and file employees, maybe 10-15% will be big names you hear and read about. The part about building connections depends on who you are willing to stick with, and if the feeling is reciprocated. Birds of the same feathers flock together. -
bbbay\" post_id=\"2128086\" time=\"1706371334\" user_id=\"175278:
Doctors running specialist clinics can afford to buy landed properties. Are you going to dispute this fact?
Thks for your sharing. I got the impression from another parent’s sharing it’s doable for those aspiring doctors and it sounded manageable : $600k, overseas medicine course, recognised by Singapore. And non stop good earnings, can buy landed property. so it mean can cover $600k comfortably
Will you spend over S$600K to send your kid overseas to do nursing to help save lives? If your answer is no, the reason is obvious, the return is simply not there for a noble but back-breaking job which only pays decently. -
Can’t be selectively paying attention to a few blossoming trees and says whole forest is blossoming. Can’t be selectively paying attention to a few withering trees and says whole forest is withering. It benefits all of us in the long run.
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bbbay\" post_id=\"2128109\" time=\"1706415699\" user_id=\"175278:
If a tree is blossoming and another is withering, just recognize these as facts. No need to be overly philosophical about it.
Can’t be paying attention to a few blossoming trees and says whole forest is blossoming. Can’t be paying attention to a few withering trees and says whole forest is withering. It benefits all of us in the long run.
For the same reason, parents send their kids to RI (akin to a full blossoming tree) to do their A-levels and not a lower tier JC.
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