yelling by teacher everyday in school

[Francis]

edanson:

Dear Francis,


I have a different point of view. Personally, I feel that base on what you have written, the teacher should be professional enough not to do such a thing to your boy. But since she had done'that' (-personal grudges) to your boy, it means that she is not a professional teacher. Professional way of handling things will not work for this teacher than.

There is a saying \" 'Friendship' is like a China bowl, once broken cannot make it whole. Even if you make it whole, the broken part can still be shown\". The 'Friendship' here implies to your child's relationship with the teacher. Even if you talk to her, there might still be some flaws around. If your child is already in P6, then probably just ask for a change of class ( hopefully he will not meet this teacher in any of the academic subjects) , if he is only in primary one, than please change school for him. Don't let the poor boy suffer so much.

Hope my points help. All the best to you and your boy . Good Luck and take care.

Thanks Edanson,this is what in my mind. But my boy is in p5 now. Some friend told me that the new school principle will ask for a reason n call the present school to find out more.What if, the present school give a negative answer???

[jedamum]

Francis:

My son is 11yrs old. have ask the vice principle for a change of class, but she just look at the list n say nothing.

Persistence is key. Give her a few days or a week to react. Then call again to request for status. Write email to her. Maybe she just need some time to sort out the logistics as sometimes classes are grouped according to abilities so she may just be pondering which class to relocate your kid.

Francis:

Last Thursday I have call the Principle (after another yelling) just to notify him. Surprisingly, he told me some teacher are train in this way n my son should be train to take such a training(yelling).Any teacher out there, is this so???

Perhaps cos your kid is already in P5. Looking back and comparing the teacher of our times, its no surprise that some 'old-school' principal feels that strict teachers are part and parcel of upper pri sch life.

Francis:

This morning, 6/4/09, the principle call me n told me he have talk to my son n counsel the teacher n to control her temper.Everything should be fine n school(teacher) n parent should work together for the child. My son give me another version; principle,vice principle n teacher talk to him(3 against 1) that this teacher is a good teacher(via principle) n this teacher even ask my son WHO ask him to complete 83page from the math workbook(new book as he have lost the old). She have forgotten that I have written on the new book what is the target date to completed n reply by her-ASAP. Is she telling lie?????? I will wait for 1-3 week to see what is the outcome. Should I do that???

A teacher need to handle a class of maybe 40? Give her the benefit of the doubt - she may just had forgotten about your note. So long your boy can explain himself, fret not.

Francis:

For your info,the problem is, teacher in this school :- they NEVER response even if you have written a note or inform the general office for the teacher to call u(no way to contact the teacher directly).

In cases like this, I like to go 'black-and-white' ie email with carbon copies to related personals - give the teacher a chance to response to the note. If she/he fails to do so, write another reminder email and cc a copy to someone else - you can just pop in another enquiry in your reminder email addressed to that 'someone else' to make it not so obvious that your carbon copy is actually to let 'that someone' know that you are facing problem with getting prompt replies from the teacher her/himself.

Francis:

Thanks Edanson,this is what in my mind. But my boy is in p5 now. Some friend told me that the new school principle will ask for a reason n call the present school to find out more.What if, the present school give a negative answer???

for transfer a P5, you have to consider that you boy would have to deal with new friends, teachers and teaching system instead of dealing with just one teacher - can both of you cope?
if it doesnt get better, maybe you can just strategise with your kid to just take extra care not to step on the teacher's feet and just get through this. gear his attention towards PSLE preparation and tell him to show his teacher (through his performance) what he is really made of.

JMHO.

[EstherTan]

I think you can consider to take some time to go down to the school and see the situation for yourself, and speak to the teacher personally. As jedamum puts it, the teacher has to handle big classes (if it’s 3 classes it’s already 120 students) she might have inadvertently lost her temper at your kid. I think the direct approach works best, and sometimes it’s not too good to listen to your child’s interpretation of it (not saying that your child would lie on purpose to you, but sometimes they don’t understand the underlying intentions of adults).


Try to talk to the other teachers as well and see if your kid responds to them differently etc. jedamum is right on her next point as well - gear your kid towards focusing on studies and try to teach him to handle the situation. As much as we’d like to, we can’t protect them forever (and there are such things as ‘bad’ teachers around). We can’t protect them, but we can teach them how to handle situations in a proper manner, as they might face such problems later.

Hope this helps…

[edanson]

Hi Francis,


I had pm to you, did you receive it already ?

Edanson

[shaz]

My dd is in P1 and has a similar relief chinese teacher who yells at the kids everyday since term 1. Her recent punishment for the P1 students (for talking in class) includes making the student stand in front of the class with arms stretched up high in the air with the palms together. I felt disgusted when my gal told me about the punishment, although it was not on her. This is in my opinion, more of humiliating the child more than anything else. This teacher is by the way past her retirement.


Quite a number of students in the class have commented that they hate Chinese lessons and the main reason is bcoz of this teacher. I have this urge to be a kaypo and highlight this to the principal (heard fm another parent it is pointless talking to the form teacher) coz i really feel for the poor kids who have been humiliated by her. What is holding me back is that she is ok to my gal so far. Will i be too much of a kaypo to do so? :?

[san76]

After all had been said and done, the outcome is still scolding, punishment and …


Have you all think about the age of the teacher? Lady teacher right? There is a change in them that is Memopause, I am sorry if I said something that is wrong. They have mood swings or temperamental.

No matter what, a teacher should be more caring towards the weaker student and encourage him / her to do better. If by telling the school management, the teacher’s attitude remains, then the only way is to head MOE. No teachers behave like a hooligan- Pulling the collar of a kid and throwing the bag. The rest of the class students can be witnesses.

If your kid is undergoing this treatment by the teacher, how is he going to do well in his PSLE?

[buds]

Menopause! Yaaa! :shock:


That can definitely be a valid problem!
Temperamental.... Hot flushes....
Mood swings... Irritable... :lol:

Going to MOE will definitely give them
a highlight of what is going on in this
school, but to which extent it will help
the child is not guaranteed..

Unless the teacher has done grave
physical abuse with evidence to prove
can MOE then take physical action...
If the teacher is being investigated
still and told to reform... the poor
child will kena black listed even more!

With the lack of manpower/teaching staff,
it will not be easy to find replacements...
Hence the implementation of reliefs, part-
time teachers and also the opportunities
of re-employment for older/mature
staff/workers, after retirement age..

It is horrific and sad at the same time to
know this is happening and that there's
hardly much that can be done if the
teacher and the school management is
switched off and hands off...

If given the oppotunity to swap schools
at this time, on top of more major changes
and new investments of uniform, books, etc
there's no telling that in a new school after
that, there is no promise that the teacher
will be a better one and not be of similar
work-attitude.

On the teacher's point tho, we must also
understand that the teacher can be under
a lot of pressure from having to work with
under-performing children who can be very
un-motivated, amongst the 30 to 40 he/she
is handling.. From the principal's point of
view... he/she is in favour and has no issues
with the old school of thought kinda training
as mentioned by jedamum.. Ya lah, if compare
with our teachers last time, they can rotan the
students and really punish them real good and the
best part is last time parents encourage such actions
of discipline...

OLD SCHOOL SCENARIO

Parent : Haa, tea-chier aah... if my child naughty, you
just cane hor.. you punish.. i don't mind one... he must
learn his lesson... must teach him some discipline..

Child : :roll:

Teacher : Ok, don't worry i will... :evil:

Parent : Boy aah, you better behave and listen to tea-chier
hor... if not i oredi ask teacher cane you. You be good boy, ok..

Child : :roll:

[Francis]

EstherTan:

I think you can consider to take some time to go down to the school and see the situation for yourself, and speak to the teacher personally. As jedamum puts it, the teacher has to handle big classes (if it's 3 classes it's already 120 students) she might have inadvertently lost her temper at your kid. I think the direct approach works best, and sometimes it's not too good to listen to your child's interpretation of it (not saying that your child would lie on purpose to you, but sometimes they don't understand the underlying intentions of adults).


Try to talk to the other teachers as well and see if your kid responds to them differently etc. jedamum is right on her next point as well - gear your kid towards focusing on studies and try to teach him to handle the situation. As much as we'd like to, we can't protect them forever (and there are such things as 'bad' teachers around). We can't protect them, but we can teach them how to handle situations in a proper manner, as they might face such problems later.

Hope this helps...

Thanks for the advise. Try talking to her in front of the vice principle.Before she get the sit warm, she start to yell at me-your son is a smart kid,but he always tell lie n never respect me cause I(her) ask him to apologise to me he never did. At that moment, I look at the vice principle and she look back. Esther, in the olden day,when the teacher SLAP us n go home parent SLAP plus rod WACKO. We don even have the chance to explain to our parent what happen. We end up groups wondering outside.I'm working in the construction dealing with people from difference-country,culture,education level,age n skill level.If u yell at the kid,what is their first reaction?I have read alot on kid behaviour on the net recently.Try listen to them first n reason with them what is right n what is wrong.Now adays,children are groom to be creativity,innovative n be entrepreneur.They have their reasoning,as an adult,its our responsiblility to teach n correct them. Ask ourself,from the time we are kid to adults now-did we tell lie before?

[Francis]

san76:

After all had been said and done, the outcome is still scolding, punishment and .....


Have you all think about the age of the teacher? Lady teacher right? There is a change in them that is Memopause, I am sorry if I said something that is wrong. They have mood swings or temperamental.

No matter what, a teacher should be more caring towards the weaker student and encourage him / her to do better. If by telling the school management, the teacher's attitude remains, then the only way is to head MOE. No teachers behave like a hooligan- Pulling the collar of a kid and throwing the bag. The rest of the class students can be witnesses.

If your kid is undergoing this treatment by the teacher, how is he going to do well in his PSLE?

San76,
I met my wife friend with her husband on monday evening n chat about my boy in school. Surprising,her daughter from the same school,now p6,say-Woh.... that teacher ha!!!! u die if u offended her. U see her must greed her ,I think she is the one who hold my chin so pain until I cry when I was in p2. I think so??? Both husband n wife look at each other. San76, the whole class can be witness, this chinese teacher even go to my wife telling her he want to pay for the water bottle he have broke. This happen in p2. We kiasu parent send our children for tuition here n there. When the child got good result, hey!!! this is a good school.

[Francis]

shaz:

My dd is in P1 and has a similar relief chinese teacher who yells at the kids everyday since term 1. Her recent punishment for the P1 students (for talking in class) includes making the student stand in front of the class with arms stretched up high in the air with the palms together. I felt disgusted when my gal told me about the punishment, although it was not on her. This is in my opinion, more of humiliating the child more than anything else. This teacher is by the way past her retirement.


Quite a number of students in the class have commented that they hate Chinese lessons and the main reason is bcoz of this teacher. I have this urge to be a kaypo and highlight this to the principal (heard fm another parent it is pointless talking to the form teacher) coz i really feel for the poor kids who have been humiliated by her. What is holding me back is that she is ok to my gal so far. Will i be too much of a kaypo to do so? :?

Shaz,
Better not cause u will end up like me. I believe-caring,loving and most important;- Patient. That is what a teacher should have as basic quality beside qualifcation as an entry requirment to teacher.