Teacher always on leave !
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3Boys:
Anyway, we have one of the best ah gong in the world. Ah gong will look at the big picture, consider the economic and social factors & devise the best solution for us.
My take is that subsidies are a rigid and ineffective way of using money. Far better to put money back in the hands of the folk who have needs and let them decide how they want to use it. I.e. rebates for parents, child development accounts. They are already there and the amounts we are talking about are not trivial.
We need to be reasonable, there are many measures in place to help parents, but ultimately it is a personal decision and SOME sacrifice is required to raise children. It cannot be so heavily stacked that those without kids become badly disadvantaged.
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3Boys:
My take is that subsidies are a rigid and ineffective way of using money. Far better to put money back in the hands of the folk who have needs and let them decide how they want to use it. I.e. rebates for parents, child development accounts. They are already there and the amounts we are talking about are not trivial.keenDaddy:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]Face up to it folks, you want good quality education, you got to pay for it.
To some extent, this is true.3Boys:
Not so sure if it is calculated in such a manner. Think ah gong's idea is to encourage couples to have more children in long run, which will bring in N x economy$ when they start contributing in society. This probably outweights the initial subsidies. Yes, it might translate back in taxes but the taxes' calculation always benefit people with more kids. Ah Gong probably have done the Business Case for this - the intangibles and \"TANGIBLES\".Please don't keep suggesting that the g'ment subsidise left, right and centre, it just comes back around in terms of taxes.
$300 per child x 12 months x 30,000 kids x 3 batches (Nursery, K1, K2) = $324Million per annum.....and I am being conservative in my numbers.
That's 1 YOG every year for eternity.....
We need to be reasonable, there are many measures in place to help parents, but ultimately it is a personal decision and SOME sacrifice is required to raise children. It cannot be so heavily stacked that those without kids become badly disadvantaged.[/quote]comes back in taxes? tdirect axpaying population in singapore still a minority. and taxes on the very rich are still too little imho. so tax away on the highest bracket i say!
subsidies will help all levels across the board. govt just has to monitor that ccc don't just raise the fees and parents pay the same - gotta be more regulation of this industry.
having children is easy, it's the care of the children that causes the most headache. having better training, more equalisation of pay, will hopefully raise the standards of ccc and preschools across the board, so we don't have to pay an arm and a leg for decent teachers. right now preschool teachers are severly underpaid. -
toddles:
comes back in taxes? tdirect axpaying population in singapore still a minority. and taxes on the very rich are still too little imho. so tax away on the highest bracket i say!
My take is that subsidies are a rigid and ineffective way of using money. Far better to put money back in the hands of the folk who have needs and let them decide how they want to use it. I.e. rebates for parents, child development accounts. They are already there and the amounts we are talking about are not trivial.3Boys:
[quote=\"keenDaddy\"]
To some extent, this is true.
Not so sure if it is calculated in such a manner. Think ah gong's idea is to encourage couples to have more children in long run, which will bring in N x economy$ when they start contributing in society. This probably outweights the initial subsidies. Yes, it might translate back in taxes but the taxes' calculation always benefit people with more kids. Ah Gong probably have done the Business Case for this - the intangibles and \"TANGIBLES\".
We need to be reasonable, there are many measures in place to help parents, but ultimately it is a personal decision and SOME sacrifice is required to raise children. It cannot be so heavily stacked that those without kids become badly disadvantaged.
subsidies will help all levels across the board. govt just has to monitor that ccc don't just raise the fees and parents pay the same - gotta be more regulation of this industry.
having children is easy, it's the care of the children that causes the most headache. having better training, more equalisation of pay, will hopefully raise the standards of ccc and preschools across the board, so we don't have to pay an arm and a leg for decent teachers. right now preschool teachers are severly underpaid.[/quote]Its our children. We bear the responsibility. Higher pay for teachers? I am all for it, but borne by the consumers of the service. I.e. parents.
Yes, higher taxation on the higher earners is just, but fundamentally, there is a limit to how much you can expect someone else (i.e. higher tax payer) to pay for your child's education.
If the overall tax burden gets high enough through wholesale subsidies of every tom, dick and harry special interest, then then the tax burden needs to be spread over a larger field. I.e. the majority non-tax payers may become a minority, and if you are on the cusp, then you might be next in line!
My view again, subsidies are inefficient. They do not distinguish between good and mediocre operators. They do not give parents a choice. They are inflexible and sometimes costly to administer. Don't waste money on subsidies, give the money back to the parents and let them decide! -
I guess ah gong is doing his best. It’s easy to have children but it’s always the commitment and the $$ u need to raise a child that scares young singaporens off.
It’s not easy to be an Early childhood teachers, full of poo n mucus, low pay n no holiday n lagi worse if u meet unreasonable parents. That’s why there’s a shortage of teachers everywhere ba. Maybe ah gong should include preschool years as part of formal schooling then the fees will be lower amnc more affordable. -
Ah gong trying to help us by increasing subsidy but childcare also increased their school fees at the same time, how to help us like that?
Somemore, next year many schools going to increase their fees.
I don't know where our subsidy gone to :scratchhead: -
insider:
Ya la, everything in spore is going up except our wages.
To pay the much higher rent and higher salaries of centres...
That's why I say they should include preschooling as formal education then govt can give a much more subsidized fee. All prices r gg up becos if u want to increase the standard of the preschool teachers, u need them to be more qualified. Higher qualification means higher pay. Low pay means high turnover. No high pay, no graduates will stay in childcare. Haiz.. Govt increase subsidy but not enuff. Money not enough
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Hi,
I think higher pay does not mean the good staff committed and will not take mc as what the other messages have been mentioned. Even more subsidized or formal education for preschooling will still would not cause the effect.
If our pay goes up, everything in the market will increased double. My thinking.
It still boils down children is our responsibility and commitment. -
Just hoping government will give more subsidy for childcare and at the same time childcare don’t shoot up again when this happens.
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Usually if the teacher has passion in teaching will not take unnecessary leaves unless is really necessary. Eg. kids sick or some home emergency. If they have children of their own, is understandable or else I can’t think of any other things which need to take frequent leave. Best is ocassionally communicate with the teacher.
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Hi monster mummy, I think u got my intentions wrong. The reason y I suggested preschool to be included as formal education is so that govt can take a bigger role. It’s a fact that many preschool teachers are throwing in the towel becos of the low pay. With preschool under MOE, the teachers get a better pay n benefits. More fundings to upgrade themselves. Happier teachers = happier children. And hopefully the teachers get more recognition too. There will also be a more standardized preschools across the country. Y doesn’t ah gong wants to include preschooling as formal education? Preschool years is very essential too.
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