How to tell if a child is gifted?
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2ppaamm:
:goodpost:Point is, she must be happy. Happiness is the greatest gift to the child, not an IQ.
All my children have a few good friends and it is wise to make a few good friends. But I believe it is just a few. My oldest has only one fantastic friend. That fantastic friend has stuck throughout primary, secondary years. He never laughed, ridiculed or singled my son out. He is only there to support whatever my son does, and vice versa. I must say I was not the one with the foresight. It was the other boy's mum who saw that that friendship must be built from very young. Helping them get a few friends is another gift we can give. If you can find that for your child, then you've doubled your blessing on her.2ppaamm:
I read up a little some time ago. Gifted children generally scored extremely well in verbal comprehension. Mine is reverse. Her verbal comprehension is close to 50th percentile although she scored extremely well in perceptual, processing speed and working memory, hitting ceiling for some of the subtests. Because of the wide variation, she doesn't have any IQ score.For example, the ones who function the best in gifted classrooms are those who score high in Perceptual and Verbal (high correlation), and the Processing Speed and Working Memory play a lesser role (low correlation). Because of the ceiling of 19 for each subtest, most EG kids above 10 will hit the ceiling for some subtests (meant for up to 17 years old). Without the extended subtests (I couldn't find them in Singapore), we cannot know their real IQ.
There is hardly any write up or research on children with low verbal comprehension, hence really clueless what to make up of that. Not sure whether it has any impact on social skills?
Gifted or not, I only hope she can be well liked by classmates. To some, it seems so natural, always surrounded by friends. Not sure how to impart social skill to her. I'm not exactly popular when I was in school too :roll: -
Sleepy, cut and paste this here for you, hope it is useful:
"Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning tasks are heavily loaded on abstract reasoning ability and are better indicators of giftedness as compared to Working Memory and Processing Speed. In this case, there are extremes in both the scores, VCI being low and PRI being very high. The subsets for VCI represent key clinical indicators of the cognitive strengths and weakness considered important to the assessment of learning disabilities, executive functions, attentional disorders, traumatic brain injuries, mental retardation, lead poisoning, giftedness, and various other medical and neurological concerns. On the other hand, the PRI emphasizes on fluid reasoning abilities as measured by the Matrix Reasoning subtest and Picture Concepts subtest – which your daughter scores highly.
The Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Composites are both very good indicators of giftedness; they assess verbal abstract reasoning and provide useful tests of visual reasoning with less timing emphasis. In your case, due to the significant difference between the VCI and PRI, the WISC-IV Full Scale IQ scores for the gifted may be difficult to interpret.
The VCI describes verbal conceptualization, stored knowledge access and oral expression. The child is required to answer orally presented questions that assess common-sense reasoning, reasoning out or retrieving word associations and the ability to describe the nature or meaning of words. Verbal expression is required here. Low scores here may indicate a possible difficulty with language, weak fluid reasoning skills in verbal domain, or even possible hearing concerns.
As for the high PRI scores, they indicate high visual perception and organization, and reasoning with visually presented, nonverbal material to solve the types of problems which are usually not taught in schools. Block design also requires visual-motor coordination and the ability to apply all skills in a quick, efficient manner. High scores reflect both accurate and very quick responses.
It would be best for you to sought further help as a more detailed interpretation or other tests may be required to understand the difference in scores. It is possible that she has a language deficiency and perhaps you may want to consider a verbal test." -
ksi:
Wah buddy, long time no see, and you 改头换面 until I cannot recognise you! All of us have to be forced to be compliant at one point or another, just to survive the system and not stick out.2ppaamm, I cannot agree with you more...
I find the primary school education stifling for my child but there is no choice, forced to be compliant just for the sake of marks la. :lol: My child will never be a straight perfect scorer cos she may not comply to the learning approach all the time.
I particularly like this sentence u made:
5. Only seeking to score 'A' by finding out and reproducing what professors want. They'll never find out in the uni, because there's no such thing
because this is exactly what they are training in the SCHOOLs just to make things simple for marking!
Sad... but reality. But with what's happening these few weeks, I have new insights to things. I guess, if we choose to look at the brighter side, it is not so bad. I'll share my insights one of these days with you guys! -
Busymom:
:salute: to you, 2ppaamm. You are such a role model for all of us here and with 5 kids who are exceptional, I am truly amazed by your ability to manage all these despite being a working mum (and without a maid too!!!).[/quote]Wah... you have memory like an elephant. You remember... I'd better be careful... ha ha! We are all struggling to survive. Let's try to enjoy the process knowing we'll all be fine. :celebrate:
2ppaamm,jedamum:
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I'm not sure which kid is gifted, which is not.
i'm sure all your kids are gifted in their own way and some of their early achievements are pretty impressive. Playing them down as been normal just makes us normal folks seem irrelevant. i strongly believe that genes play a big part in giftedness and you are one gifted mummy who chose to have 5 kids. Kudos! -
pecalis:
I'm going to give schools another try, if all else fails, I might just have to ask you for the contacts. Thanks in advance!
Hi 2ppaamm,2ppaamm:
tamarind, how do we handle the social and behavioral issues if homeschooled? I'm confident of the academic part but not the social skills part.
There are quite a handful of families in Singapore tt homeschool their children. Most of them are Christians and they are committed to bringing out the best in their kids. I believe they meet regularly for outings and mutual encouragement. When my children were younger, we had a playgroup whereby we meet once a week, for lessons conducted by the parents (or outing, picnic or sports), for their social development. I'm no longer with the group but I have friends who are homeschooling, even at Secondary school level. If you are interested, I can link you up with them. -
EN:
Yeap, I second that opinion.[/quote]EN! Looking high and low for you! I called the international school just now. So funny. They are no longer allowed to take Singapore students because they have reached the quota of 10% and MOE has not been approving those on the waitlist for 6 months.:hugs: 2ppaamm
I understand your frustration and utter bewilderment at what has been suggested. I do understand your plight.
I feel that in local context AS has been mis-defined. Besides having a chat with the local school principal, how about checking with international schools here? Of course need to get proper exemption for not attending the Singapore local school.
Pathlight? That's definitely not a right place.
[quote] He needs to be in an environment that can challenge him and motivate him further.
The lady on the line told me that Singaporeans are encouraged to go to Singapore schools. So I asked her, what if the school think our kids are not suitable for their schools, and we cannot go to international schools, so where do we go? She's very nice, but she does not know an answer. Of course I do not expect her to know the answer. I was just voicing out my frustrations.
So I put my son on the waitlist and hung up so I can look for other alternatives. And I'll keep searching. -
2ppaamm:
Indeed very frustrating. I believe as parents, we simply want to nurture our kids accordingly. Yet seem to encounter road blocks at every corner!The lady on the line told me that Singaporeans are encouraged to go to Singapore schools. So I asked her, what if the school think our kids are not suitable for their schools, and we cannot go to international schools, so where do we go? She's very nice, but she does not know an answer. Of course I do not expect her to know the answer. I was just voicing out my frustrations.
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2ppaamm:
kekeke...you din know I change nick ah?Wah buddy, long time no see, and you 改头换面 until I cannot recognise you! All of us have to be forced to be compliant at one point or another, just to survive the system and not stick out.
Sad... but reality. But with what's happening these few weeks, I have new insights to things. I guess, if we choose to look at the brighter side, it is not so bad. I'll share my insights one of these days with you guys!
Look forward to your sharing of new insights.
You got PM for a contact. -
ksi:
Yah, and I'm still stuck with mine.. no time to think leh... maybe really change mine to mama-san. Ha ha! Then DH will really ban me from this site!
kekeke...you din know I change nick ah?2ppaamm:
Wah buddy, long time no see, and you 改头换面 until I cannot recognise you! All of us have to be forced to be compliant at one point or another, just to survive the system and not stick out.
Sad... but reality. But with what's happening these few weeks, I have new insights to things. I guess, if we choose to look at the brighter side, it is not so bad. I'll share my insights one of these days with you guys!
Look forward to your sharing of new insights.
You got PM for a contact.
I have replied your PM. Thanks! -
Hie everyone I desperately need HELP and glimpses of answer here ...
Background :
I'm a stay home mum who have a 7 yr old son. I've been teaching him since young. He learns and pick up ideas and concepts fast. At 15 mths, he picks up his books to \"read\", 18 mths he talks, around 24 mths he could do puzzles after looking at them for a while ( visual ). Remembered very clearly, there's one occasion, in the morning, the first thing he'll do is to take out the puzzle i did with him the day before, and he'll insist i help him, and teach him. He'll do this everyday, til he's able to complete the whole puzzle within 15 mins ! the puzzle : a long one, that puts numeral, english words, and chinese character together as a column. From 1 - 20.
Learns music at 4 yrs old. Teacher say he has musical talent. He learns faster than others, he play fast, he picks up the nuisance of the music fast, and he could recognize the chords that teacher plays and play back. Til now he's able to focus and play back almosty exacty as the piano teacher play !
When he's 6, we brought him to the Child Development at KK Hospital, went to child doctor. Reason why i brought cause he's active ! Couldnt sit still, likes to fidget and daydream, dont seem to focus. However when teacher ask him, he's seems to know and could answer the question w right answer !
Means he's daydreaming, fidgetting but listening to teacher at same time !
Doctor couldnt say anything, ask for childhood educator give him a few class preparation lessons in preparation for p1. Her advice : tell the teacher that yr child need more challenging and stimulating works and questions to keep him going.
Now in P1, he likes to read History and Geography. He's well read with all kinda subjects that interest him.
Teacher say he's very strong foundation in both English and Maths.
I'd also noticed he's more mature than friends his age, and most times doesnt really go along well w his classmates. Usually he plays better with children 2 yrs his age or girls.
And yes, he articulate and speaks well.
There's a few occasions in this year he asks me to homeschool him instead of him going to school. Said he'd known what teacher taught cause mummy had taught him. ( Maths tutor said P2 Maths would be more challenging for him. ) He's bored !
I'm worried that he'll not listen if I teach him in school. Thats what happened too when he's in K1 and K2 ! I dont want the cycle to continue again and again !
We seriously need help !
Should I bring him for IQ test ? If so, where ? Then what will happens next ?
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